[Salvos] 724. Not A Lot Of Options (Start Of Book 14)
Added 2024-10-04 17:03:31 +0000 UTC724. Not A Lot Of Options
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Ever since I returned to the Netherworld, a lot of events had transpired. It wasn’t a long time— at least, compared to the time I spent back in the Mortal Realm. However, it felt like a lot more time had passed than actually did. Because of the amount of things I had done since I gotten back.
The amount of trouble I had gotten myself into, to be specific.
First of all, I discovered my dad’s kingdom— a Dungeon that led deeper down into the bottom layers of the Netherworld. There, I found the end of the world. The infinite wall of corruption that was slowly eating its way through all of the Nexeus.
And that was not all. I had also discovered the cause of the end of the world. My dad— the Devil— was partially to blame. But in reality, it was because he had been tricked by someone he thought was his mentor.
That was not all that happened since I returned to the Netherworld. Finally, after so long, I reunited with Haec— my first companion. It was a touching reunion. I had truly missed him. Even if we both had changed drastically since we last saw each other, I was still happy I could be with him again.
Although, our reunion was cut short because of the Deathsquad Hunters hunting him down, before we were forced to escape the wrath of the Beast. Which was the strongest being in all of the Nexeus.
Or so my dad said.
And now, after all those events that I’d been through, I didn’t slow down. I didn’t bring Haec back to the Mortal Realm.
Because… I was in the middle of starting a revolt against the Demon King.
Well, to call it a mere revolt was a bit of an understatement. It was more like a full-on rebellion. Maybe even calling it a civil war was appropriate.
After all, not only had we already recruited a large number of the Demon King’s Legions that were stationed at the Expanse, we also had converted quite a few of Regnorex’s top generals to our cause.
For example, Hartia the Ruler of the Border was now on our side. He was the reason why this rebellion was even possible in the first place, because he could remove the collars that were keeping everyone obedient.
And now, we had also recruited Manos the Executioner— the leader of the Deathsquad Hunters— to our side. Another high-leveled Deathsquad Hunter, Sicar, came along too.
Although, we didn’t even need to do much to recruit either of them to our side. Even still, it was great to have more allies. Or so I thought.
Unfortunately, it seemed that not everyone thought bringing in the leader of the Deathsquad Hunters to our camp was a good idea.
I watched from the side as a crowd gathered around Haec, Manos, and Sicar, protesting the presence of the two high-leveled Deathsquad Hunters. Meanwhile, the rest of the gathered free legions looked like they were debating fleeing or attacking right at that moment.
But I ignored this scene. I knew that Manos posed no real threat to us. And since Haec was the leader of this rebellion, it was up to him to convince everyone that Manos was truly on our side.
Especially since I had better things to do right now.
I closed my eyes as I focused on the words lingering in the back of my mind. I had already distributed all my Stat Points between [Wisdom] and [Agility], while maxing out [Cluster Time Dilation] with my Secondary Skill Points. For the rest of my Skill Points and Secondary Skill Points, I distributed them between my Skills and Secondary Skills that I felt would be most useful for the upcoming battles.
And now, there were only two things I needed to do. The first was to resolve this notification blaring in my mind.
[Titles Available]
“Alright, let’s see what’s this about…”
I whispered as I pulled up the list of Titles that were available for me. I ignored all the previous Titles I had already rejected.
Titles:
(Faeslayer—
You have accomplished—
“Nope. I already didn’t want you.”
(-̴̛̠͊̀͝-̵̪̱̼͑-̶̰͎͙̉̆͝-̸͙̍̀͠-̴̛̠͊̀͝-̵̪̱̼͑-̶̰͎͙̉̆͝ S̶̛̼̗̅ė̶̺̜͕ntǐ̶̬nĕ̷̪ͅͅl̵̨̦̗͗̔̃—
-̴̛̠͊̀͝-̵̪̱̼͑-̶̰͎͙̉̆͝-̸͙̍̀͠-̴̛̠͊̀͝-—
“And I definitely don’t want you.”
I rolled my eyes, before ignoring the prompt. Right now, I wanted to see what brand new Title I got for killing Jofis. Even if I technically didn’t kill him. I still leveled up a lot from that battle. And it was one of the toughest battles I had ever partaken in thus far.
So I truly hoped that whatever Title was waiting for me was going to be good.
And it was.
(Immortalslayer)
You have slain an immortal being! Very few entities in all of the Nexeus have reached the precipice of immortality throughout history, and you have managed to completely circumvent the unkillable nature of one such immortal! As such, you have earned the rare Title of a slayer of immortals!
+50 [Vitality]
+50 [Strength]
+50 [Endurance]
+50 [Wisdom]
+50 [Agility]
Bonuses:
*You have a 10% higher chance of permanently killing an immortal with a lethal blow!
*You get to keep your current Titles and all their Bonuses and Skills.
“Huh.”
I blinked a few times as I took in the brand new Title that was offered to me. It was the only Title that was being offered. And yet, it was… very good.
I was surprised. Especially by the bonus it offered. So not only was I more effective against killing immortal beings like Jofis now, I would also be able to keep all my current Titles.
It was just like the bonus offered by The Devil’s Daughter.
I couldn’t help but grin at the prospect of not just getting stronger, but being able to kill an immortal easier. Although… I was surprised Jofis was considered an immortal.
I always thought dying became harder at Level 200 and above. But Jofis was not at that level when we fought, even if he had once been a Primordial Demon. Which meant that he somehow still retained his immortality he had when he was at above Level 200, despite de-leveling and devolving back to a Primeval Demon.
That’s interesting to know, I thought to myself as I tapped a finger on my chin. No wonder he was so difficult to kill.
It was not like I had much of a choice right now— I didn’t have to deliberate much. So I just accepted the Title that was being offered to me.
Title Gained!
(Immortalslayer)
+50 to [Vitality]
+50 to [Strength]
+50 to [Endurance]
+50 to [Wisdom]
+50 to [Agility]
Bonuses:
*You have a 10% higher chance of permanently killing an immortal with a lethal blow!
*You get to keep your current Title and all its Bonuses and Skills.
General Skill [Title Skill: Rapid Disengage] Obtained!
“Alright, now that that’s settled, there’s only one thing left for me to do.”
I spoke as I dusted my hands off. Focusing inwardly, I took in my Status. There was something I had— two things I could distribute, actually.
Salvos (The Enemy of the Demon King) (The Devil’s Daughter) (Immortalslayer)
Species: [Primeval Demon of Pride]
Secondary Species: [Lesser God]
Subspecies: [Angelic Devil Princess] - Lvl. 174
Class: [C-̴̨̯͍̜̘̼̣̯͚̘̹̪̘͙͌̾͆̚͝rr-̴̨̯͍̜̘̼̣̯͚̘̹̪̘͙͌̾͆̚͝pt-̴̨̯͍̜̘̼̣̯͚̘̹̪̘͙͌̾͆̚͝d Appr-̴̨̯͍̜̘̼̣̯͚̘̹̪̘͙͌̾͆̚͝nt-̴̨̯͍̜̘̼̣̯͚̘̹̪̘͙͌̾͆̚͝c-̴̨̯͍̜̘̼̣̯͚̘̹̪̘͙͌̾͆̚͝] - Lvl. 158
General Skills:
[Advanced Mana Manipulation] - Lvl. 10 (Maxed)
[Corruption Mastery] - Lvl. 1
[Identification] - Lvl. 6
[Racial Skill: True Divinity] - Lvl. 1 (Maxed)
[Racial Skill: Universal Language Comprehension] - Lvl. 2
[Rest] - Lvl. 5
[Wisdom of the Old Gods] - Lvl. 5
[Title Skill: Demonic Essence Resistance] - Lvl. 1
[Title Skill: General Status Effect Resistance] - Lvl. 1
[Title Skill: Invoke Wrath] - Lvl. 1
[Title Skill: Influence Wild Demons] - Lvl. 1
[Title Skill: Rapid Disengage] - Lvl. 1
[Title Skill: The Devil’s Grace] - Lvl. 1
[Racial Skill: Divine Essence of the Angelic Devil Princess] - Lvl. 1
Stats:
[Available Stat Points: 0]
[Vitality]: 330 (+150) (+10) (+50) (+100)
[Strength]: 330 (+10) (+10) (+50) (+100)
[Endurance]: 330 (+10) (+10) (+50) (+3) (+100)
[Wisdom]: 500 (+40) (+10) (+50) (+50) (+100)
[Agility]: 545 (+10) (+10) (+50) (+5) (+100)
Skills:
[Available Skill Points: 6]
[Angel’s Wings] - Lvl. 20
[Barrage of Cinders] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)
[Divine Demon’s Mark] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)
[Divine Haste] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)
[Intimidation] - Lvl. 10 (Maxed)
[Faux Limbs] - Lvl. 25 (Maxed)
[Divine Nebular Construct] - Lvl. 25 (Maxed)
[Divine Strike] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)
[Divine Radiant Slash] - Lvl. 15 (Maxed)
[Sacred Hellfire] - Lvl. 18
[Salvo of Vanity] - Lvl. 25 (Maxed)
[The Call of Armageddon] - Lvl. 15
[The Holy Flames] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)
[Passive - Angelic Premonition] - Lvl. 15
[Passive - Weapon Mastery] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)
[Available Grand Skill Points: 2]
[Claw of Corruption] - Lvl. 2
[My Flame Shall Burn Until Eternity Ends] - Lvl. 3 (Maxed)
[Unused Skill Slot] x2
Secondary Skills:
[Available Secondary Skill Points: 0]
[Corrupted Draconic Fury] - Lvl. 1
[Cluster Time Dilation] - Lvl. 15 (Maxed)
[Greater Teleportation] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)
[Manifestation of the Old Gods] - Lvl. 10 (Maxed)
[Prison Of Isolation] - Lvl. 17
[Riftwalk] - Lvl. 2
[Truth Divination] - Lvl. 10 (Maxed)
[Worldbreak] - Lvl. 6
[Passive - Corrupted Dragon Scales] - Lvl. 1
[Passive - Corrupted Regeneration] - Lvl.1
[Passive - Master of Material Manipulation] - Lvl. 15 (Maxed)
[The World of My Mind] - Lvl. 1
[Unused Skill Slot] x1
“My Grand Skill Points.”
I whispered as I grinned.
“Now, what should I spend them on?”
Author's Notes:
Start of book 14!
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Comments
"The correct choice would be to just open a portal near the centinel horde. " - transporting the Centinels collectively into Netherworld might actually be the best thing one can do with them. It would basically increase the wild demon population. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-10-08 12:30:49 +0000 UTC"modern Demons dont realy know "friendship"." - that is certainly true for most of them, like Regnorex and his slaves, and Belzu. However, I don't think it's universally true. Tor, for instance, seemed to be a friend of Bela and lost his shit when Hartia killed her. Also, that half-wild demon Haec fought was angered because the slaves of Regnorex killed/enslaved her friends. Aemula, too, seems to be a friendly and unselfish person. The problem is survivorship bias, because the demons who care about others and are very friendly don't last in Netherworld, and the environment seems to be adjusted for survival of the worst. The exception are the ones like Salvos, who has a very friendly mode, and then she just switches into combat mode where she is a savage monster. As for Haec, I agree that he'll either have to make up his mind, or there will be trouble. He has the potential for understanding, because he was with Salvos since they were both infant demons, and she can always use [Truth Divination] to make him see.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-08 12:27:40 +0000 UTC"Also since it’s regnorex domain it’s possible that all his allies(slaves) get a boost in stats and his enemies get a deduction in stats" - no, I think we can eliminate this option since Salvos has been fighting his generals on his domain and they got no such boost. The other direction, where Reggie gets a boost when surrounded by allies and on his domain, is all but certain. Also, his domain has some kind of resistance to the normal cycles of Netherworld, and his moods reflect across it, which we saw when he was angered and all but cooked his servants with his fury.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-08 12:20:51 +0000 UTC"Maybe regnorex can be made to understand the gravity of what he’s about to do" - I'm afraid he's not the type that listens, he's more used to barking orders. He didn't even listen to the Devil's hints.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-08 12:18:31 +0000 UTCI think that duality of Heac is perfectly reflected by his new race. He is/was a Demon of Lust, follower of Salvos and became a Demon of Wrath, leader of the rebellion. I am fairly certain that his weird behavior is mostly becourse these two conflicting sides both try to take over. Remember, modern Demons dont realy know "friendship". Everyone is either your leader that pushes you around, another minion serving the same master or your minion that you can push around. So Heac cant be both Salvos companion and the leader of the rebellion, at least in his young, Regnorex influenced mind. He could be a leader, who asked his powerfull companion/friend for help without compromising his position. But he has to realise that first. And I dont see him learning this, as Salvos is the only demon who understands the principle of friendship
Angworu
2024-10-08 12:00:35 +0000 UTCThe correct choice would be to just open a portal near the centinel horde. Salvos shows her face, they jump at her and she can draw them over to the Netherworld. There she can lead them around, use them to level or have them clash with Reggie. Or rather all of them in the appropriate order. First, a clone leads them in circles to stall them, then she opens a rift to Reggie's palace and in the resulting mess, she pops the juiciest heads. The climax is a 3-way brawl between Matriarch Centinel, Reggie and Salvos. Might still happen, actually.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-07 23:15:35 +0000 UTCIt's also possible that every collared death speeds up his ritual.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-07 22:57:05 +0000 UTCAlso since it’s regnorex domain it’s possible that all his allies(slaves) get a boost in stats and his enemies get a deduction in stats
Travis Brown
2024-10-07 21:53:09 +0000 UTCMaybe regnorex can be made to understand the gravity of what he’s about to do
Travis Brown
2024-10-07 21:51:28 +0000 UTCI'm also thinking about Salvos and how this affects her mental state. She's quite shaken after the Jofis fight, because how close it was and how little her attacks seemed to do. From the very moment they entered the Demon King's domain, she felt anxiety and unease, because she got into something she couldn't really pull off, as she was, and had to depend on luck, chance, levelling and evolution rather than her own skill and power. This is about the worst thing you can get yourself into as a warrior, but so far things went reasonably well; she defeated Hartia and made an arrangement with him, levelled, advanced her class, went through other legion leaders easily, and then she hit a rock wall with Jofis, and had an impression that she used up all her skills and they did nothing, then others used up their skills and it did nothing, and eventually Manos had to finish the job, him joining the rebellion being a very lucky event, because if he and Sicar joined Jofis instead, with her [Flames] being out, she'd be dead, or she'd have to rift out in disgrace. So, she's shaken, if not outright stirred. Her confidence is disturbed. Her closest ally is Haec who keeps questioning her every decision and doesn't really trust her. Most of those demons don't trust her enough to get their collars removed without serious convincing and coercion. She just found out how hard an immortal is to kill, and she's going against Regnorex, who might at any moment decide he took too many losses already and needs to deal with this personally. It's also been quite a while since she's seen her human companions and she must miss them. She really needs a confidence boost. Sure, she doesn't look as bad as when she thought the humans don't really accept her and would turn on her in an instant if they knew she was a Demon, but if Edithe, Willy and Centina turned up with that scythe, that would really help.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-07 08:03:21 +0000 UTCI mean the ego part with wanting to be called a hero, a leader and being afraid to openly tell Taburas that he always was a follower of Salvos and even chose his evolution because the alternative was a leadership role that would contend with Regnorex for power, and he wasn't interested in that. And while we're at it, WTF was that evolution? He chose it because he didn't want to be a leader and wanted to support Salvos instead, and after choosing it it's like the exact opposite - he keeps bumping heads with her, he keeps craving leadership and it's always some kind of friction with him. As for talking to the army, yes, it might be that Salvos thinks it's a hassle, but honestly, she might just want to avoid a conflict with Haec. She managed to coerce and persuade the 3rd legion Demons into de-collaring very nicely, so it's not that she can't do it. She's also pride-driven so leadership would've been normal. No, she relinquished it because she saw that Haec craved that role and she let him have it because she loves him. However, he's no longer the Haec she knew. He's Haec the Tormentor, Heir of the Demon King, turned Traitor. The real problem that can be anticipated is that the high-level Demons are all turning to Salvos for solutions and leadership, and the low-level ones just saw her freeing them from the collars. Sure, the 3rd legion accepted Haec as their leader, but there will be a serious conflict of leadership at some point, because Salvos is just taking charge when necessary, and then Haec is butthurt. Also, someone will have to be the next king, and if Salvos gets the [Queen] evolution, everybody will absolutely accept her as such, and then Haec might have kittens.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-07 07:04:10 +0000 UTCI think luck was not the primary factor - Ultis and Aliq told them where the legions are stationed and something about their leaders, so they could obviously avoid the dangerous ones, but yes, the first response unit could have been made up of four lvl 190s and then they'd be fucked. Also, all of this happened far more quickly than I would've initially thought; I'd say weeks, but it was more like day and a half. The condensed timeline explains many things, like for instance why the characters don't psychologically progress. The answer is, they don't have time for anything, because first Salvos spent lots of that time de-collaring small groups to appease people with frail nerves, and then she's been liberating the legions at a pace of one every fifteen minutes or so. It's good that she doesn't have to sleep because she wouldn't get any anyway. And, they were most vulnerable to counterattack during their fight with Hartia. That made lots of "noise", meaning shaky space and stuff, and could've provoked a quick response to check what attacked Hartia. That was also when two of her GS were freshly on cooldown and she didn't yet advance her class, so she was at her weakest. Also, the time spent slowly de-collaring kept all of them exposed to attack and was one of tactically least sound moves.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-07 06:50:48 +0000 UTCYou forgot [Second Life] :) But realistically, her not connecting with Sally is a part of the story, because if she did, and she found out what danger the Human Lands are in, it would be very hard to imagine her not rifting straight there and helping. However, then Regnorex would likely have the time to finish his ritual, and she would leave her army exposed. It's going to happen at some point, and I'm sure Melas has it all worked out already because it's important. As for her using the time chamber for giving herself extra time, it's not impossible, and she can also take a friend there if she wants to have a long talk undisturbed, but the problem is that her experiments use all kinds of stuff that can violently explode, and combining a cocoon of space and time with violent energies might not be the safest thing to do. It is an excellent place to give yourself time to think things through instead of just rushing aimlessly, and the excuse of GS cooldown before a battle is good.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-07 06:31:18 +0000 UTCIt's a real issue that she doesn't take time to develop her powers... Now that the time chamber is unveiled it's clear that she has some to spare. Even if she just developed some low hanging fruit like greater protection (which she studied a lot all ready) for layered defense... I mean she already said she could and she had a lot of title skills in that direction already! Literally any combination skill between subspecies and class would be a gateway to so much more! Especially [Salvo of Vanity]! Upgrade that shit, damn it! Reunite with Sally and elevate it to a grand skill! The amount of potential in that is silly! [Interplanar Avatar]! [Army of Myself]! [All I need is more of me]! [Angelic Devil on your Shoulder]! [Me, Myself and I]! There are already so many flavors I can come up with in a few minutes! Her clones have so much utility! They increase her range of awareness, they can help with magic, they are no slouches in combat and they are even expendable! The interplanar connection is the most needed upgrade! But there is also the need for more, even if weaker clones as an option and the matter of having spare bodies as extra lives! And that's just the one skill!
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-06 22:44:42 +0000 UTCI am not so sure on the ego part, he certainly seems to know his Limits with asking for help. And a more positive approach to why he wants to be Leader is his skill that gets a boost or Salvos disintrest in talking to the army. But we don't know if that is the case. Heac losing control is a real issue though. And when Heac and Salvos met after being separated for so long, the reaction was kinda underwhelming i would have expected a hug or some more happy small talk like with Aemula.
Tim
2024-10-06 21:57:31 +0000 UTCI probably mixed up the order of events with the halfwild demon and meeting Salvos. And i agree in the point that there never was a Plan, as it was more of a sudden decision to fight the Demon Lord. I also think that they really got lucky in the way that they could take down Legion after Legion imagine a quick response to the attack or the first Demon they meet being Jofis, without prior discussion what he can do. And at first in the beginning of the attacks I found it weird that Reggie doesn't come out himself to fight. But the now after seeing how many are disloyal to him, i believe as soon as he leaves, some "Loyalist" is going to destroy the ritual in secret.
Tim
2024-10-06 21:31:25 +0000 UTCHe could, but he never actually said it, did he? When he talked to Taburas, he explicitly said he's a leader, instead of outright saying that Salvos is his leader, and if Taburas has a problem with this, she can leave. However, he didn't contradict Salvos when she said she's his leader either, so it looks like he's trying to sit on two chairs at once. I don't like it. He basically led Salvos along a garden path by confirming all her implicit assumptions about their relationship, and did a bait&switch whereby he's using her as a tool for realising his ambitions. All the while, he knows she really wants to be with her friends in the Mortal Realm, and she actually has her whole life there and she's risking it all in order to go and fight Regnorex in his own domain, where he's likely invincible. And in all that, when she's trying to actually do it, he keeps complaining that he doesn't like the Death Squad, he doesn't like Hartia, he doesn't like Manos and Sicar, and she needs to keep asking him to trust her, which is obviously an ordeal to him. And did we mention that he went so insane during sparring that he actually tried to murder her with his Grand Skill? Sure, she can ignore other people's position and think that if she doesn't see a problem, it's the same with others, and that's something she'll have to work on, but compared to Haec, she's a very literal angel. Also, she kept jumping through his hoops and making more work for herself with de-collaring, only because she accepted that this is easier for other people who are scared. She also aggravated Hartia by keeping him locked up when there was no need for it, just because others had trust issues. And, interestingly, when there was an actual danger and a plan needed to be formed, they called her to do something. Interesting how that works - Haec is a leader when his ego needs pampering, and when actual leadership is required, he calls Salvos to pick the chestnuts from the fire. Basically, Haec is a liability at the moment. Fragile ego, mostly incompetent, trust issues, possible loss of control in the worst circumstances, and so on. Also, Salvos seems to be on better terms with Aemula than him.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-06 21:29:19 +0000 UTCLet me remember the exact order of those events... Basically, Haec and the others went into the wilderness aimlessly looking for Salvos (which is a great idea BTW, since he had no reason to believe she's actually there; in fact, she teleported to her dad's place, and he then teleported her to the Netherworld, and he could as easily have teleported her to the Mortal Realm; the fact that Salvos happened to find him with her supersensory skill was an incredibly lucky accident, and not a result of a good plan). They ran into Great Agarus, crawled under a rock to hide until he went on to nuke Salvos in the distance. Then they ran into that angry half-wild demon that wanted to kill them, and Haec tried to talk her out of her anger, failed, and she died. Then he decided to go back to free the enslaved demons. At this moment, Salvos caught the whiff of his Divine Essence, likely from the skill he used in the fight, and zipped to his position, scaring the shit out of them, since she felt like some omnipotent winged terror descending upon them. After the greetings, she tried to basically get him to the Mortal Realm because she had no wish to stay in the Netherworld any longer, but he refused and explained his thinking, to which she agreed to help him. Then Venas discovered them, fight ensued, she won, the Beast and Great Agarus had a fight, and so on. After the interlude with the Devil, they formulated the plan whereby they find the Demon King's domain, find the 3rd legion, kill Hartia and free the slaves. I'm writing this from my head without consulting the books so I apologise if I got something wrong. But basically, I don't think Haec had a proper plan at all. He thought he'd just go there, make a pompous speech, raise his fist in the air and watch Regnorex crumble into the dust. He is as bad at planing as Belzu, if not worse, and I think he actually believes that having a desire equals having a plan. Also, he did decide to free the slaves before Salvos found him, and how he intended to do anything about it will remain forever a mystery. Also, I think he doesn't really give a shit about how Salvos feels, nor does he actually think about the fact that he is endangering her life with this harebrained scheme. He essentially emotionally blackmailed her into adopting his non-plan, which meant that she'll have to fight the entire army of Regnorex while he contemplates his self-proclaimed heroism. Salvos is the one making actually workable plans and doing the heavy lifting, while he keeps annoying her with his trust issues. I think the Devil is partly to blame for this, because he thought it was a good idea to berate her in front of those fools, and how they think they can do so as well. I actually wouldn't mind Haec being inexperienced, confused and incompetent; he's young and that's normal, but the fact that Salvos is doing his work for him, he's taking the credit and also has the audacity to keep berating her as if she's somehow his underling, that rubs me the wrong way and I hope he has a sobering experience.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-06 21:08:13 +0000 UTCThe Leader thing is a bit weird. After their reunion Salvos says "I am your leader afterall." maybe as a recall to early chapters. But at some point it went to haec being the Leader/Hero and Salvos being the Savior. Technically Haec could be both leader of demons and follower of Salvos.
Tim
2024-10-06 20:53:20 +0000 UTCWell to be fair, Haecs first objective was to find Salvos only after that came the Plan to attack Reggie. And Salvos did beat some Death Squad members when they met. I mean under the assumption that Salvos as a space mage might be able to remove the collars it is not an impossible plan. But Salvos did indeed overperform with her way of thinking and rather making friends than enemies.
Tim
2024-10-06 20:33:15 +0000 UTCAlso, about Haec... Salvos basically got involved in a total mess by agreeing to help him, because let's just see what his plan was. He intended to go to the 3rd legion and kill Hartia, free the slave demons, then go to the other legions and free all the other slaves, then depose Regnorex. Let's wargame this, without Salvos: he goes there, Hartia crushes him with space magic, kills those three collared Archdemons, end of rebellion. There was absolutely no way he could defeat Hartia without Salvos. He knows nothing about space magic, he can't stop Hartia from using the collars, Hartia has a GS he can't possibly defeat from the inside. His plan was incredibly stupid and he would've gotten killed instantly. Oh, not to mention that without Salvos and her [World Of My Mind], they would have been constantly tracked by the Death Squad, and it was Salvos who wiped out two units. Haec proved he can kill one lowest-levelled hunter with his GS. Good job. However, then he's fucked. His plan to free the slaves and depose Regnorex is so stupid, it actually reeks of mental illness, of the kind that Belzu had and which eventually got him killed; megalomania, ego trip and inability to perceive your limitations. Let's just have in mind that Haec personally saw all of Regnorex's generals, and was smaller than a mouse in front of them, and yet here he is, wanting to lead a rebellion. That guy is a liability. And yet, by the virtue of Salvos fighting all the battles, he gets to play a leader of the rebellion and question her as if he actually has any idea about anything. She instinctively does the right thing by recruiting enemies, and he's the one who always opposes this. I mean, let's just stop there. How the fuck does he think to take over the kingdom and free the slave demons if they don't recruit most of the top brass? Does he think an army of millions of lesser and greater demons will do anything against a single Primeval, let alone Regnorex? It's sheer idiocy, and yet, he never seems to think things through and understand he's out of his depth and Salvos is just so much smarter than him. Salvos in fact organized a Human army against Regnorex, and won. She even recruited Belzu, and risky as it was it actually contributed to the victory, because he ended up giving her the idea for changing the ritual. It's incredible how Haec completely lost his shit when he saw Jofis coming, and Salvos had to come up with a battle plan and execute most of it herself, and the first thing he did after the victory was to question her about Manos and Sicar? What Haec needs to do is thank his lucky stars that Salvos thinks he's her companion, because that's the only reason he's not dead yet, incompetent and overconfident as he is. Also, he needs to understand that he's merely one of her generals, and she's the strategic mastermind and battlemaster.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-06 09:30:00 +0000 UTCOn a different note, Haec still can't seem to make up his mind whether he's a leader of the rebellion or a follower of Salvos. That seems to be an ongoing thing since his Primeval evolution, and looks like a ticking time bomb, and Taburas so far made the problem worse with her desire for him as a leader. I'd like to hear Hartia's perspective on the battle, because for all we know, he watched it in 7x slow motion from the time chamber, and had the opportunity to see in great detail how it went before Jofis got rifted away. Also, since Haec can't really tell the crowd much since he was there only for the last part. Also, Hartia witnessed firsthand, for the first time, how it is to fight alongside an Elite adventurer, because the way Salvos fought and protected him looks more like something Mori Gladius would do, and he expected the standard Demon tactics, which is "sacrifice others for your advantage". He expected to be used and taken advantage of, and ended up being protected and saved at least three times. The problem is, stuff happens in stop-motion for us because of all the fucking delays, but for them it's all too fast to process. Hartia, however, just got ten days of alone time, and he could think about things in peace, and I wonder what his thoughts are. For Salvos, I'm afraid things are taking place too fast to process properly, and it doesn't look like it's about to slow down any time soon.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-06 08:55:48 +0000 UTCI'm thinking about this stat boost and what it might mean. Before that, in her normal state she couldn't match Jofis, but with [Divine Essence...], meaning +100 to everything, she thrashed him around the way Hulk thrashed Loki. Then he used [Demon Mode] GS to give himself a boost, and that made him slightly stronger than her. Then Haec gave her a slight boost to speed and that was enough to make her faster again. I'd say this boost to her baseline stats means she would now be as strong as a lvl 196 without her [Divine Essence] on, and with [Divine Essence...] she could just crush someone like Jofis or Manos. I agree that the Strength and Endurance boosts are crucial, because she tends to neglect those and then has a problem when having to launch 10 clones at a time and it depletes her mana, or when she has to cut through a very hard target and finds out she's just too weak. But yes, enhancing Wisdom and Agility is a good idea, because those give her the higher ground in a fight, and she can usually compensate for the lack of strength by having friends who help her out. The problem is, Regnorex is stronger than Jofis, and that's even without the advantage of terrain, and Focalor is stronger still. That's why her GS stat bonus is essential, and it is now almost at the level where I think she can temporarily function as a Primordial, but she needs more in order to actually control the fight and inflict serious damage. Also, her weapons technology, meaning the Divine Nebular Scythe, is insufficient for the tasks at hand, and both metaphorically and literally just doesn't cut it anymore. :) I was also wondering about those space suits the worldwalkers use, and those look like a more advanced version of the [World Of My Mind], where the thing tightly follows your body shape with spacetime isolation properties. Basically, it's a person-sized spaceship, unlike the thing she and the Devil use, which are probably an inferior version because you can't directly interact with the local environment in those. Those seem to be the kind of armor she needs against the local Nexeus threats like Regnorex and the Matriarch Centinel, but it still wouldn't be enough against Trico and his Divine Trident.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-06 08:34:07 +0000 UTCI was also thinking about her return to the Mortal Realm, and what the reunion would look like. She has so many friends there, and they love her so much they would just be in positive shock because she's alive and back. That she's higher-levelled would be a given at this point. That church of the fake god will be a problem, that much is obvious; not only because they are a nasty cult, but because Soli is bad news. This is a fight she can't yet win, but I don't know how she can stay out of it, if what I think is happening is actually happening; meaning, that Soli/Trico is the "space magic expert" advising Regnorex on that ritual he's about to perform. It might be an immediate problem without an apparent solution.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-06 06:49:40 +0000 UTCWith her class advancement days ago, and this title bonus, it's like she's having her [Divine Essence...] on all the time, in terms of stats. It's huge. Also, she has that title that gave her +150 to Vitality, which is also a big boost and makes her much harder to kill. And also, her space magic is advanced by the criteria of the Fairies, and she wields corruption, and she has two more Grand Skills. However, I think most Humans might not even notice if she doesn't blast anything in front of them. Samuel had fun in Mavos Academy and other than not being able to identify him, I don't think they noticed much. Clayton mentioned that he's an Elite-equivalent, but what does that even mean? It's an open-ended scale starting at 150. So, if she acted normally, the biggest shock would be that she's back and alive. The true shock would be when they saw her in a fight. It would be like when she returned from the Bloodied Gulf and was like "why is everybody weak?" I think there are still beings in the Mortal Realm that can rival her. Matriarch Centinel, Dominion Astriel, The Watcher, Servant Sage of Secily, and, possibly, that thing that lives in the eternal dark of the Rainforest of Monsters, that the Watcher warned about.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-06 06:30:40 +0000 UTC+50 to her vitality, strength, and endurance is very significant. She prioritizes wisdom and speed so this gives her much more tankiness without having to fall back on her GS as much. It might make little difference to high level demons she's about to face, but I'm really curious how her stats stack up against everyone else back in the mortal realm now. IIRC demons have higher stats than humans of the same level. Considering the stat boosts she's received recently and how rapidly she's continued leveling, I want to see what Clayton and all of the other elites that she could almost hang with before think of her now.
Crashdevil
2024-10-06 01:42:15 +0000 UTCAnd if they all max at level 3 she can have up to 10 as it only takes 2 points to max at lvl 3. she could evolve when both primary and secondary are at lvl 190 and still have 8 maxed out grand skills which is double yves number, that's how good this is
Brandon14754
2024-10-05 19:59:30 +0000 UTCIn any case, a combination of [Worldbreak], [Claw of Corruption] and Divine strikes seems to have done the trick, despite the initial appearance. Also, whatever level of Divinity Jofis had, it merely delayed his death. It's actually funny - Salvos thinks her attacks were too weak and is frustrated by the outcome, and the System comments "your attacks were so fucking epic in their soul-scrambling devastation, this deserves a stackable title with mega-bonuses for sheer fucking awesomeness". :) edit: Not to mention it being a flawless victory; she sustained zero injuries in the fight, while turning an immortal into a scrambled, corrupted, lobotomised mess, and the fight took what, twenty minutes? How long can she extend [Flames...]? Also Salvos: "Huh, that was the hardest fight I ever had." :) No sweetheart, that's the hardest fight Jofis ever had. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-10-05 15:20:49 +0000 UTCHmm, if i am not wrong salvos should still have 2 unspent secondary class skill points. 5 went into time dilation and 1 into Worldbreak. And from 154 to 158 should be 4 levels.
Tim
2024-10-05 14:59:48 +0000 UTCI believe the name for her fighting style is magic swordsmen but her case the correct term is probably something like magic reaper or magic weapon master
Zuuuuuri
2024-10-05 12:17:43 +0000 UTCWell, the title at least moves [The Great Agarus] up the kill list. I suspect that Reggie's survivability comes from orthogonal powers like barriers and substitution, but he will take quite a few killing blows, that's for sure.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-05 10:28:06 +0000 UTCI also think that, but there are a few counter arguments. Mainly that a level as a primordial gives way more power than a level as a primeval. If you level up as a primordial, you invest your regular skill points into grand skill tier regular skills, while your GS points go into a higher tier of GS. But evolution is still a catalyst for skill evolution, so she should have as many of those as possible. Thinking about it, it would be ideal if Salvos learned a bunch of (grand) skills without taking them. That way, they evolve and play into skill merges but don't cost the value difference between the level-ups. She has seen a lot of GSs, she'd need to sit down and immitate them, learning her own variant of some and leveling her general skills while attempting it for the others. Imagine the different GS effects she already encountered! It's a feast! [Disintegration], [Abomitable Instincts], [Fractal Barrier], [Mana Tempest], ... They would all be wonderful contributers to Salvos future skills! Instincts can merge into flames, tempest and anti-magic enhance [Call of Armageddon], the barrier could enhance her world....
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-05 10:19:20 +0000 UTC"At least Amanda did show a skill with "disengage" in the name, didn't she?" - Orgaf did [True Disengage] in book 8, after he faked using a GS. This Disengage thing seems to be an assassin/rogue specialty. It makes me think about Salvos' fighting style. Unlike "normal" mages, she fights very close and personal, she's definitely as fast and as good with weapons as any rogue, but she's far better with magic than any rogue. Also, she uses shapeshifting, creation magic and space/time magic in a melee fight, and this goes far beyond the standard human divisions into rogue and mage. But as far as I can tell, this is the first true rogue/assassin skill she ever got.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-05 07:09:26 +0000 UTCI'm reading this again: "you have managed to completely circumvent the unkillable nature of one such immortal". I think there's more to it than it seems. We were led to believe that nothing she did worked against Jofis, because he was somehow able to bounce back, but what if each of her major attacks actually disrupted his "soul matrix" and everything that made him immortal that, in the end, Manos just finished him, at the point where even Salvos was demoralised and decided it can't be done, but what she did by then basically made him not only mortal, but also half dead? When I initially saw all those corruption strikes she used against him, and how he bounced back, I thought that can't be right, this must have some kind of a permanent effect that's just masked by grand skills and bullshit, and apparently something very similar did happen. It's like cooling and heating up someone repeatedly until he cracks, then scrambling the fragments into a mess and then melting it down and crushing it with gravity. It's as if those "immortals" have some kind of a reserve of deaths from which they can bounce back, but the pool isn't inexhaustible. We know that the Devil hypothesised that the Great Agarus could likely be killed permanently if one managed to kill him ten times in a day. So, what if it isn't exactly "killed"? What if having his essence scrambled by the kind of attacks Salvos is capable of is very much equivalent to killing him repeatedly until his "immortality reserve" is depleted? Also, as a corollary, how many times will Regnorex need to be killed? Will this kind of essence scrambling do in his case as well?
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 22:05:50 +0000 UTCyes as they wouldn't be a class or a subspecies anymore because it's a combo of both, also if they do merge I sincerely hope salvos waits till lvl 200 in both her class and subspecies and gets as many grand skills as possible as that'll get her the best merger as possible, if they merge when her class is only lvl 175 then she'll be missing out on 5 GS points which is 2 and a half grand skills that could've made it better
Brandon14754
2024-10-04 21:51:20 +0000 UTCThat's a good point, but we actually don't know if levelling the GS will actually make it possible for her to use [World] fragments as shields. There's some reason to believe so, for instance the Devil can conjure a fractal shield on demand, and it very much looks like the stuff his pocket space is made of, but it's just logic, of the kind that would have you assume that Salvos can just create a corruption-divinity-time sandwich bubble around anything, get a skill for that, and use it in combat. She has all the components, but that doesn't mean she can just do it. There is, however, reason to believe she could do it with some practice. But yes, fractal space panels at high enough level can be used for many things. Shield, prison, time chamber, who knows what else.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 21:32:16 +0000 UTCI thought you wanted a shield skill? Part of the construction of [The World of my Mind] are fractal panels. If you move them around instead of assembling them, you have a solid shield out in the Nexeus' normal planes. It's an improvised version of Hartia's GS. The rest is for bigger battles, but the fractal shields can be used as a defensive skill even in 1v1 if they deploy fast enough. [The Great Agarus] broke them with higher powered space magic but the Hellabomination didn't do much to them.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 21:22:22 +0000 UTCDon't forget that [Divine Essence...] was the cornerstone of her wipeout of the second Death Squad team, and the fact that she didn't have it for the Hartia fight made it a hard, protracted mess. Basically, when she can ambush or trap enemies, the Claw of Corruption is great. It can take out one lvl 190 enemy in a single hit. It's a one-use thing, though, so very bad against multiple opponents, or against opponents that are alert, highly mobile and work in teams. The problem is, the very next fight looks like it might be just that, and the next one, against Focalor, looks like something she wants to win by waking him up and turning him into an ally and a friend, like Belphegor, not trying to corrupt or kill him. Also, Regnorex has Divinity and is likely very resistant to the Claw, which makes him a very poor target. Which brings us to my conclusion that the Claw is not a priority in the forthcoming fights. It's likely good enough to crush Chordus in one strike, and Salvos can then trivially deal with others. I would want to have it upgraded for the Regnorex fight, just in case it works well enough to scare him or seriously aggravate him. As for the World of My Mind, its combat usefulness is obvious only in case of the Regnorex fight. For hiding, stalking and moving people around it's good enough as it is, albeit fragile. She has no business fighting Regnorex before she's 185 or something, so by then, by all means upgrade the [World], and hopefully learn to use it like a fragmented pocket dimension, so one can be a safe place, one can be storage for warez, and one can be weaponised against Regnorex, move him between the planes and fight him there, and if he breaks it he gets to die there.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 20:52:32 +0000 UTCI think it would be a good stepping stone and a crutch, the way Breastplate of Alexander was a stepping stone and a crutch, until she tapped into Divinity and got two grand skills. It's just what she needs now when she's not yet Primordial, and needs to fight Primordials shitload of levels above her. Also, she needs to become a True God if she's to defeat Trico, because, after that Archangel fight, I just don't see anything else working.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 20:32:19 +0000 UTCI can play the same game in favor of [The World of my Mind]: Salvos needs: 1) protection 2) battlefield control 3) offense To address that, lets look at Salvos' encounters with the Hellabomination, Jofis and the primordials: [My Flames shall burn until Eternity Ends] was the decisive defense each time and its rightfully maxed. Would surely have failed against the beast. (3/4) [The World of my Mind] was the decisive evasion/escape each time, even against the beast's skill. It only failed against Jofis. (3/4) Salvos couldn't even use [Claw of Corruption] on the Hellabomination without traping it first and it completely failed against [The Great Agarus] and Jofis. (0.5/4) [Divine Essence of the Angelic Devil Princess] didn't even come into play in most of these fights, but against Jofis, it was a cornerstone (1/4) This analysis shows that [The World of my Mind] has the same track record with strong foes as [My Flames shall burn until Eternity Ends]. When speculating on its future quirk, we can look at its shown components: (1) phasing, (2) a battlefield under Salvos' elevated control and (3) constructed from fractal space magic panels as shown againts the Hellabomination. I think the most likely quirk is that Salvos will be able to summon "walls" of her world as shields. (protection) I think if she fully encloses a creature or space in panels, she can then phase it, either defensively or as a disconnected battlefield/prison. (battlefield control) With that in place, she can use all her other capacities in offense.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 20:25:48 +0000 UTC"Might I bring you back to the ahem, [corrupted demon reaper’s scythe: unique grade - growth type] idea?" Please do! 😉 I think the [Scythe of the Arcraem] is a wonderful foundation and source of power/knowledge, not the best Salvos can do/have given time. For one, it doesn't have sickle grenades 😜
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 20:16:26 +0000 UTCLet's look at this from the perspective of what GS upgrades might do, and then assess immediate and long-term usefulness. Also, let's see what is currently flawed and needs to be upgraded quickly. - Her [Divine Essence] is no longer as much of an upgrade as it was when she initially got it at lvl 125. The cooldown is shorter, though, but it would be great if it were so much shorter it becomes more-less a permanent thing, or at least something that resets within hours, the way [Flames] seem to. So, she needs a bigger power boost, and shorter cooldown. However, is it possible that fully upgraded [Divine Essence...] becomes [Godly Essence...], or does that happen only after her evolution? - Claw of Corruption needs to be stronger and faster, and it needs to reset more quickly. The problem with it is, it's a wild-card. If it works, great, battle over. If it doesn't, you piss him off and he's also corrupted now, so you have an enemy that's too hard to kill, and you pissed him off. Not good. That's why I'd upgrade that one last. It's good, but if you rely on a single lethal skill too much, eventually you die. That's how I expect Clayton to get in trouble with that disintegration thing. It will fail and then he's fucked. - The World of My Mind is currently a cube and not shifting between polyhedrons, it's more fragile than it ought to be, it doesn't make furniture on demand, doesn't come with a TV set, and you can have only one. Also, it could move more quickly, be more resistant to hard impacts, and it's questionable how resistant it is to the actual Void. That stuff is all great and useful, but other than fighting Regnorex outside of his domain, nothing else feels like an immediate thing. It's absolutely one of her most valuable skills, but for space travel, not fighting Primordials. It's good for escaping Primordials. It absolutely needs to be upgraded, but I'd give both points to the [Divine Essence] now, because that's what actually saved her in the Jofis fight, where everything else sort of worked, but without [Divine Essence...] power boost it would not even be a fight; she'd rely on invulnerability for five minutes and then die, the way she endured Great Agarus until she could escape. Basically, I vote for general stats boost because she's currently too far behind in levels to have a chance otherwise, and I advise against relying on a single offensive skill too much because it's going to fail you at the worst possible moment, and I actually feel bad advising against upgrading the [World of...], because it's so incredibly useful, but it's just because of immediate practicality, considering the likely events in their logical expected order. Basically, evolve it at 175/160, and then hopefully everything by 180/165. She needs, in this order: - stats, lots of stats, and this stackable title with +50 to everything is a great beginning, but the more the better, because the Primordials look like they get +200 to everything at their evolution. Yeah, that's bad, and she's going to fight that within days; - weapons, offensive skills, stuff that kills Primordials. Stuff like the Scythe of the Arcraem. Stuff like the Claw of Corruption at lvl 3 or more, that can kill or seriously hurt a lvl 220 and be used twice in a fight; - protection. She needs secondary shields, like that Protection of the Sentinel, and Protection of the Corruption, stuff that can protect others and serve as a backup when [Flames] eventually fail. She could use something like the Breastplate of Alexander, only stronger, more durable, something that would be a worthy failover for her protective GS, and take hits from Great Agarus for weeks. [Flames] are one of the best things in all of Nexeus, but too fucking short. Serious battles tend to outlast it and then she needs a backup. What else? Well, she needs not to get corrupted more, so she probably needs to rely on Divinity more. She also needs to find a way to fix the corruption problem, and the most likely way is to become more skilled and powerful with it. It's seemingly a contradiction and I don't know how Melas intends to resolve it.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 20:14:39 +0000 UTCI disagree. If she wants to go all in, go [The World of my Mind], it has the best defense and battlefield control if utilized correctly. And that's somewhat likely given Salvos' high wisdom. The claw never worked on its own. Well, against the Deathsquadder small fry it (likely) did.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 20:12:10 +0000 UTCI desperately hope for that! Both because I'm curious and because its mathematically optimal, assuming linear power progression in skills.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 20:08:38 +0000 UTCWe discussed that before. The consensus was yes, depending on the max level of her GSs (which might be >3 for some) and if she gets more. Until lv 200/200, she will get a total of 20 GS points, allowing her to bring 5 GSs to lv5. She can evolve all levels earlier she saves in points compared to that.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 20:06:56 +0000 UTCIf it wasn't hard to kill someone at your killing ceiling, that wouldn't be the ceiling now, would it?😉 I think the height of Salvos' ceiling is impressive and she has leeway when it comes to speed. ... Well, not against Jofis. She is an evasion-based melee mage (?) I first wrote assassin mage, but that's not it, right? In any case, it's an optimized build in many ways, but it's also an anti-archetype 😂
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 20:02:59 +0000 UTCWith her time chamber, the cooldown drops in priority. If you noticed my math above, the first point has the most relative impact in linear progression. So I think she should first raise all to lv 2 and then boost her claw and either the world or the essence depending on the lv2 performance and synergies. Fighting the other legions is an opportunity to test out the passive aspects at least. An argument to get her essence to lv3 first is that it is less involved, while the world is likely more adaptible.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 19:54:17 +0000 UTCMight I bring you back to the ahem, [corrupted demon reaper’s scythe: unique grade - growth type] idea?
Zuuuuuri
2024-10-04 19:52:33 +0000 UTCWould there still be the need for a specifying term? Wouldn't it just be their true nature or personal essence? They escape the bounds of being one of some type and become the head of their own dojo so to say. Maybe even literally insofar as the system might offer classes and subspecieses derived from that primordial. Sal might be [The Devil] insofar as that all devils are demons following his path. [The Beast] might have caused the emergence of wild demons (or just the beast type evolutions like hellhounds, hellbeasts, hellabominations, ...). Matriarch Centinel might not just be "a primordial centinel" but the matron of all evolved centinels.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 19:44:54 +0000 UTCSalvos gets GS points for every five levels species and secondary class is it possible for her to max GS before lvl 200 and get an early evolution.
Travis Brown
2024-10-04 19:43:37 +0000 UTCShe'd probably upgrade Divine Essence and World of My Mind.
Alexey Gladkich
2024-10-04 19:43:29 +0000 UTCIt's great if it works. It almost worked the last time. I hate those "Hail Mary" weapons that make you bet the farm on whether they work or not, such as Helena's GS. If it doesn't work, you are suddenly surrounded with more powerful opponents. Not good. On the other hand, an all-around stat boost is something you can channel into both offensive or defensive skills, she can create better weapons, and overall temporarily function as a higher-evolution version of herself. This is why I prefer her [Divine Essence...] GS; it's not inherently specialised, and it's not one attack that can miss or be diverted or whatever, and then you are fucked.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 19:38:37 +0000 UTCThat only reinforces my point that she needs a varied arsenal. The defensive application of her world GS adds another layer of defense if Reggie/Folcanor can cut through her flames. Its battlefield control aspect can help her get (to) a battlefield under her authority. I think leveling the world GS is a guaranteed significant boost in combat, while the essence GS is a lot more unpredictable and needs a strong quirk to compete, ideally an aura type that negates at least others' domain buffs and might even inhibit their other powers, if we take inspiration from Paimon and Clayton. That's just to compete with a quickened current world GS. If the quirk goes in a different direction, she's fucked without a quickened world GS, because she needs a few fallbacks to rifting and even if she rifts anywhere other than her world, Reggie will even more likely just conjure another domain(-like effect).
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 19:34:09 +0000 UTCI assume she needs to max out all of her GS anyway, so the real question is that of immediate priorities. She needs more power and less cooldown on her [Divine Essence of...], because she's about to fight enemies she needs the GS for, however she might also need the enhanced [World of...] for the Regnorex fight, or for transporting a large number of Demons across the planes, and her current [World...] peaks out around 10k. She might also need the enhanced [Claw...], because the current one almost worked against Jofis, it was a very close call and a stronger version might have killed him outright. So she needs everything, the question is what does she need today, and what can wait until tomorrow, and what for the next week.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 19:31:59 +0000 UTCI say go all in on claw of corruption
Travis Brown
2024-10-04 19:29:04 +0000 UTCI can see worth level up world of my mind yet, it’ll come in handy when it’s time to take Daniel home
Travis Brown
2024-10-04 19:24:11 +0000 UTCI'd expect it's something that goes with the territory - it's expected that your attempts to kill an Immortal might fail, and then you'd need to get the hell out of Dodge, yesterday. Similarly, being the enemy of the Demon King goes with a 150 boost to Vitality, which means you're expected to get your ass kicked a lot. Very useful, since she neglected Vitality, Strength and Endurance, to the point where they are 200 points behind her first-tier stats. This is good because she has two stats that are powerful way beyond expectations, giving her the ability to outrun and out-think opponents, but the cost is that she has a hard time dealing lethal damage to the opponents at the upper range of what she can successfully fight. +50 to everything is a lot, though, and I think it means she can basically crush a lvl 185 without having her GS out of cooldown. I don't think she should put more points to Strength, but she needs a more powerful weapon, and that Scythe of the Arcraem would do perfectly.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 19:23:28 +0000 UTCAlso would make sense why both subspecies and class grand skills need to be maxed before evolution and it'd be easier on the author for each character to only have one, I wonder what it'd be called though as it wouldn't be a class or a subspecies at that point it'd be something new, something special as 2 subspecies combines would still be a subspieces same with 2 classes
Brandon14754
2024-10-04 19:20:42 +0000 UTCI had that suspission from the start, even if it was unfounded. That's also what leads me to speculate that at level 200, species and class join to some degree. At least I think it will then be easier to create skills that draw from both. [Divine Radient Slash] and [Corrupted Draconic Fury] might merge just like [Salvo of Vanity] can grow a lot incorporating aspects of [Riftwalk]. Salvos' creation and space magic are also a match made in heaven.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 19:15:51 +0000 UTCThose are all valid points, but remember the Avaritia fight, when he was faking Regnorex, and even his fake Divine Essence combined with owning the domain caused him to go straight through her [Flames] GS, which so far only he and Belphegor could do. This kind of a combination of very bad shit is what I'm afraid of. Basically, Regnorex while King can have a Title that makes his power rule supreme while he fights in his domain and is surrounded by his minions. This means she might have to fight him outside of his domain, which means rifting him somewhere where she hopefully has the advantage of terrain. In his domain, he might be untouchable, and if we combine that with the fact that he might go right through her protective GS, this is not going to be an easy fight. Also, I'm somehow not even taking the immediately expected fights seriously; Chordus of the 2nd legion and a dozen others. With her current upgrade, it's going to be more of a rat hunt, but she definitely levels hard due to the almost 20 level difference. What I'm worried about is Focalor, because he will follow next, and that's likely a lvl 220 being. She will have to talk to him, but she'll also have to endure a serious beating, the kind she'd get from the [Great Agarus]. Interestingly, not all Primordial GS attacks are something she needs to worry about. For instance, Paimon's GS, that is instantly disarming and disempowering to others, has absolutely no effect on her, because all her skills are prefixed with "Divine", meaning she probably doesn't use normal non-Divine magic at all. However, some things that seem to be permission-based, such as Regnorex's supremacy while within his domain, that can be overridden only by higher-level permissions from the System, the kind Arcraem gave to the Archangel, for instance. It's a complicated game where levels and stats alone matter only to a degree, and we are starting to deal with authority within the domain and similar stuff that might be a problem.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 19:09:58 +0000 UTCIt might passively boost all her space magic anywhere like she drew her divine essence out even without using the GS way back when first learning [Manifestation of the Old Gods]
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 19:07:39 +0000 UTCI can concede that it's not that critical because she will get more GS points soon. But I think [The World...] is more important than her essence GS, because of what happened with the claw GS. With a single point, it turned from essentially an out-of-combat skill that could only be combat enabled through the world GS or surprise into a standalone combat skill. Now her world GS is the least combat capable despite the fact that it could very much be utilized like Hartia's bubble shield GS among many other applications. It's her best battlefield control skill. If it were a bit faster, she could take a part of the enemy force into her own space, using divide&conquer. She could use it as a second layer of defense, as an escape, as a trap. And we already saw her do all of that. The only point her essence GS is definitely better for is 1v1 offense.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 19:04:27 +0000 UTCInteresting the grand skill points are grouped together, I guess that means they can be spent in either the class or the subspecies even if the grand skill points was earned from leveling the other
Brandon14754
2024-10-04 18:58:06 +0000 UTCAt least Amanda did show a skill with "disengage" in the name, didn't she? The relation of [Rapid Disengage] to killing an immortal is intriguing though. Is it an assassin-type skill to facilitating assassinating immortals? How strong is it compared to what Amanda has? Does it have in-combat uses or is it just a combat ender? Is it even related to the universal process of immortal slaying or is it derived from Salvos' rogue-ish fighting style? Are there variants of titles?
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 18:50:36 +0000 UTCIt's good that she's aware that she's in trouble, because I'm afraid she doesn't even know half of it. Which is why my recommendation would be to level up the [Divine Essence...] as much as possible, or at least give it one point and check what it does to the stats because it should still be on for most part of a day. I'd give it all the GS points for now, for following reasons: - she is obviously unable to fight her current enemy profile without the [Divine Essence...] boost, so upgrading her primary means of survival is crucial - she will soon get another GS point at 175, and 160 in class, and that can go into [The World of My Mind] and possibly [Claw of Corruption], and if they all peak out at 3, and she keeps getting points for levelling the class as well, she's going to level everything very quickly anyway.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 18:48:26 +0000 UTCMaxing time dilation is a good move now that we know it can be used to recharge skills. Also i can imagine leveling [The World...] could have an effect like boosting all space magic unsed inside by Salvos.
Tim
2024-10-04 18:40:20 +0000 UTCI think if you take your time (centuries/millenia) leveling to 190/200 and evolve without permanently fighting that much above your weight class or of you were just created at primordial tier, you don't necessarily have that many titles. Even relying on controlled minions and such will cost you personal power. I think Primordials will all have strong eccentricities, but I don't think they necessarily have a ton of stackable skills and titles of that level. I don't think Haec advanced as much as Salvos from the Jofis fight and I think Manos only got some XP, he might have had the title before. In short: I don't think there are all that many stackable titles you get from fights among primordials. If you've done it before it becomes increasingly less impressive. Don't get me wrong, most fights with primordials will/should be crazy, but I don't think they commonly more than 1-3 stackable titles. Salvos, by her nature, is far closer to the peak than the norm.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 18:38:13 +0000 UTCA lot of maxed skills, level up close. Divine essence is GS?
Użytkownik Przeciętny
2024-10-04 18:36:41 +0000 UTCOooooooh! New chapters!!!! I'm excited! Salvos should definitely upgrade all her lv 1 GSs to lv 2! I feel like the first level up ist always the most significant. I mean mathematically if every point increases a skill's power by its level 1 effect, the first doubles its power, the second only results in 1.5 times the power and so forth. But I feel like especially with grand skills, the first point is even more significant than that because it seemingly often expands the skill's utility the most, even if just following the same mathematical rule. And non of her eligible GSs are as survival critical as her flames GS. So I don't see any reasonable hindrance to Salvos finally showing us [The World...] lvl 2!
Dragonmaster_42
2024-10-04 18:15:15 +0000 UTCSimple, but [Rapid Disengage] looks like an assassin skill of the kind Amanda and Orgaf have; basically, it's a get out of trouble fast card. Considering how often she ends up being in the effective perimeter of deadly skills, this might be as useful as [Devil's Grace].
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 18:10:38 +0000 UTCWow, it's stackable. That's excellent, and the only way she could actually use it at this point. Also, +50 to everything, that's as much as her [Lesser God] evolution, and half as much as her GS bonus, but permanent. Also, almost as much as her corrupted class advancement. Basically, it's as if she levelled 50 times and distributed points equally to all stats. But, also, there's an implicit warning that such huge upgrades are seemingly normal for the Primordials, and that they, too, might have all kinds of stackable titles, bonuses and shit, and we don't even know what kind of a stat boost a Primordial evolution gets you. Also, the interesting part is what her Divine Essence GS does when levelled. If that adds 50 points to everything per level, that's some serious firepower. However, same disclaimer applies - everybody she's going to fight is expected to have crazy shit for stats.
Danijel Turina
2024-10-04 17:49:15 +0000 UTCMore simple then I expected
Zuuuuuri
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