[Salvos] 736. Fragments (Removed for KU)
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Sure, but then again, I'm sure the System knows what's going on so it might enhance the warning. After all, this is the core security issue and its Judge has already been compromised.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 14:32:35 +0000 UTCFrom the impressiveness side, I would actually prefer it if she killed Regnorex first, stopped the ritual, left Haec there to manage things, evolved to Primordial and a higher God-tier, and came back to the Mortal Realm to save the day in full power and glory, surrounded by several super-Demons. What I would really hate is if she was so late that Sally and Clayton died.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 14:16:55 +0000 UTC"we don't see the collosal mana surges and stuff like that, so I think there's also still a bit of time." - this is a good argument for the thesis that the ritual didn't go through, and that, at least, is comforting. I was initially slightly wary about that first flash Sally got, about the infinite wall of corruption; there was a possibility that it's something from the present, but it's obviously a memory, just like the one about Haec. However, if she killed Regnorex and thus stopped the ritual, it would look the same from this side.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 14:11:29 +0000 UTC"Since I think matriarch < Reggie, I think Salvos hasn't confronted Reggie yet." - I'm not sure about this logic. First, we don't know Reggie's level, and at this point, knowing Matriarch's level, I can't really say which one is worse. Reggie is expected to have all kinds of buffs on his terrain and surrounded by his slaves, and has Divinity, and likely can crush through [Flames]. Matriarch is extremely high levelled, has corruption skills, and uses Ancient Centinels the way Salvos uses clones. They are both bad. Also, regardless of who's stronger, we still don't know what Salvos did in the Netherworld since.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 14:08:49 +0000 UTCWell, Trico might have extrasystemic powers is what I'm saying. So he might be able to bypass Edithe's skills, be it mental defense or premonition.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-11 13:50:21 +0000 UTCGiven that the other legions are already gathered, I think Salvos has a few hours leeway before confronting them. The ritual is a problem, but we don't see the collosal mana surges and stuff like that, so I think there's also still a bit of time. Leveling against some ancient centinels and their matriarch sounds like a great use of that time!
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-11 13:47:49 +0000 UTCSince I think matriarch < Reggie, I think Salvos hasn't confronted Reggie yet. Since I believe Reggie will intervene in the Chordus fight, it would be more fortunate for Salvos if she got re-connected with Sally exactly when we left off.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-11 13:41:35 +0000 UTCAlso, I'm making an assumption here, that Salvos is as we last saw her. This Rachel timeline is multiple days in the future from that. The way things are going there, that's an eternity. Like, five days ago she was giving Ultis and Aliq a deal they couldn't refuse and they headed towards the Demon King territory. She was just heading towards the Legion accumulation with Manos and presumably Sicar. Regnorex is likely notified about loss of contact with Jofis, Manos and Sicar by a panicked Chordus. A shitshow was imminent. Salvos clones were always significantly weaker than Salvos, but Sally can suddenly identify a lvl 238. She also got faster; possibly due to Divine Essence stat boost, but also possibly from a level boost, and that might be increasing as time goes on. We don't actually know what's Salvos' status at that point in time. She might have dealt with Regnorex and is in the process of evolving to Primordial. She might even be evolving her second species to a Greater God or even True God. We don't actually know the upper limit of her power, only the lower limit.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 10:17:36 +0000 UTCHow about an option where nobody sacrifices themselves and they win?
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 09:48:20 +0000 UTCLoved the chapter don’t know if I like where Edithe’s story is heading tbh. I was thinking more of her collecting the scythe and it becoming salvos’ weapon after salvos goes looking for her type deal tbh. Like salvos comes in defeats the matriarch finds out about Edithe and goes to the spirit realm to get her. Or even maybe sentina will offer herself up instead there’s some options.
DaWeeb
2024-11-11 09:39:02 +0000 UTC"Just the 100 stat points she added with class advancement and title is more than most humans have in stats, isn't it?" - Marie is a high-Platinum, and knowing what stats Salvos had at those levels, she might have one or two stats above 100, with others below. With Divine Essence active, Salvos' highest stat is in the 700s, with lowest in the 500s. Remember, with 50 stats less she was ragdolling Jofis so hard he had to turn on Demon Mode to survive. Jofis the Winged Horror was getting his ass handed to him. The guy that makes lvl 190 Primevals submissive and respectful. Yeah, Salvos has quite an energy footprint. :) And then, with that energy footprint, after killing Matriarch Centinel in front of everyone, she comes in through the barrier like it's mosquito repellant and starts hugging Rachel and the kids. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 08:12:37 +0000 UTC"And then Salvos is like "All right, guys! Head on back, I'm gonna quickly say hi and be right behind you!" " - that sounds likely, but I'd say she would keep her core team for an introduction and perhaps a heads-up talk to Clayton and others, because she would want to clue them in to what's going on in the world, and she would also want to know what happened there while she was gone, because everything seems to be a mess. I see one problem, though. Salvos might be delayed (and, honestly, she already is). There's all kinds of stuff going on in the Netherworld. She might be in a fight. She might be preparing for one, and unable to leave her people defenceless there while she's busy with who knows what. She's a more responsible person now, more of an adult. She has an army to command, she has actual friends there now and she won't just rift out and let them be slaughtered. Just imagine her in the middle of a bad fight, herself having flashes from Sally. Not good. Also, she might even be done with Regnorex and evolving into a Primordial. That might take a day, during which she could not respond. Also, if she wants to bring help, she'll need to explain things to them, and that would take minutes. She is unlikely to be able to just rift in as soon as she's aware of the problem. More likely, she'd try to increase the link bandwidth first, to complete the sync, and to have a better picture of what's going on down there. Then she would make preparations, like board her core team into the World of My Mind, make a rift to the Mortal Realm and show who's the boss.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 07:55:40 +0000 UTCOh yeah... Just the 100 stat points she added with class advancement and title is more than most humans have in stats, isn't it? That's so f***ing amazing!
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-11 07:19:29 +0000 UTCIt might not work like that, I mean, levels overpowering skills. Rather, it might be the stronger the bullshit/danger, the stronger the warning.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 07:13:37 +0000 UTC"But how many can he fight at once?" - I guess we'll see. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 07:11:12 +0000 UTCIf Salvos leads a ground invasion, so many people will be shitting bricks! 😂 Just imagine Marie Schofen seeing an army comparable in size to the biggest human coalition, just 20, effectively 30 levels higher! And then Salvos is like "All right, guys! Head on back, I'm gonna quickly say hi and be right behind you!" Or some clones come riding in on a wild primordial demon in the middle of the fight! Most humans might not really get it until they see the demon army paniking when it gets within reach!
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-11 07:06:35 +0000 UTC"I mean, she can maybe appraise Haec, but Ultis? Hartia? Manos?" - remember the description of Scarlet's gut reaction to Regnorex and his Vanguard? At that level of power the Humans don't need appraisal, they just melt into a puddle of submission. When the Devil visited her school, everybody was just gushing about how awesome he is, and female professors were pestering Salvos for weeks trying to get on a date with him. :) Without the human appearance, there would be no sexual component to it, but they would all be on their knees from the sheer power of someone like Manos or Salvos, for that matter. Remember when Clayton used [Invoke Fear] when Salvos initially flew in, and all the kids were at their knees instantly? The way Demons were when Regnorex was pissed? Yeah, that's Salvos now. Her aura of power must be as strong as that of Regnorex now, with all the stat buffs and her levels. When she initially found them, and she was much weaker than she is now, like 200 stat points on everything weaker, Haec and his buddies felt such power from her that they just shat themselves in mortal fear.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 07:04:17 +0000 UTCSally is doing really well so far. The spectators are like "oh, she's fighting the Matriarch, she dies in 3, 2, ...", but I wonder when that turns into "wait, she's *still* fighting the Matriarch? The Matriarch transformed into a corrupted abomination? Wait, her level is what exactly?" But I just feel Salvos would be more powerful. Probably because she has her entire brain working, she knows her skills and what they can do, she has those corrupted/draconic thingies Sally doesn't, she has [The World of My Mind] and [Prison of Isolation], and so on. And she also has a million Demon army. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 06:51:47 +0000 UTCCan he kill Ancient Centinels without using his grand skills? Probably yes. But how many can he fight at once?
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-11 06:51:33 +0000 UTCGiven what she's up against, I'm worried if such a skill is enough mental protection...
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-11 06:48:36 +0000 UTCWell, at least he can be a princess then. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 06:41:47 +0000 UTC" I think he was just able to make a sort of copy of it. " - that was before he was able to fix the Breastplate. I think Salvos left the book there and he figured it out. But yes, he needs to save Rachel, kill as many Ancient Centinels as possible to reduce Matriarch's tactical flexibility and distract her, and after that's done and he's still alive, he can help distract the Matriarch with a few good hits from behind so that Sally can work more freely, and she'll probably have more of those memory flashes/whiteouts.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 06:38:34 +0000 UTCYeah, that's the problem with Clayton trying to save her too. She either needs to fight to the death or escape away from the Academy because...
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 06:33:37 +0000 UTCI really hope she has that [Indomitable Valkyre] or some similar bullshit detector skill that's blaring.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-11 06:30:42 +0000 UTCMaybe druma or centina will scarfice themselves
Travis Brown
2024-11-11 01:46:21 +0000 UTCI’m worried cause Edithe might be selfless enough to give her body up
Travis Brown
2024-11-11 01:45:13 +0000 UTCI don't think he actually has any divinity. I think he was just able to make a sort of copy of it. That's what I remember was described when we saw it the first time. I don't think he'd even remotely be of any help against the matriarch even with the artifacts. I forgot what level the great agarus(I think thats how you spell it) was, but she's in that range, if not higher, and we saw what that thing did to Salvos and what it survived against the beast. The most he can realistically do is get Rachel inside while stemming the tide of centinels trying to get her.
Crashdevil
2024-11-11 01:19:03 +0000 UTCHey Melas! Thanks for the chapter! The Edithe part is a progressing mystery! And the view of people at Mavos really puts Sally's fight into perspective! That said, I absolutely cannot f***ing wait to see how the Sally/Salvos reconnection will turn out and how the fight against the matriarch will go! Will Salvos come over? Can she? So, do you already have an idea when the next chapter will drop? If you tell us it'll be next sunday, a few people might get grumpy, but I for one will excitedly count down the days!
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-10 23:51:27 +0000 UTCSpecify "high-level" Up to ~170/170? Sure. Up to unevolved 200/200? Cover fire might be fine. Proper Primordial level? Big ol' nope. The matriarch might be in either of the upper categories, depending on her 2nd level...
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-10 23:16:28 +0000 UTCThey can bring Rachel in. But Clayton should have a night out with Sally! ;P
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-10 23:08:03 +0000 UTCProbably is, though. Because it is allegedly useless other than as a divinity battery for Clayton/Watcher/Sally/Salvos.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-10 23:06:01 +0000 UTCIt allows Salvos to... rapidly... disengage? On an elite level, though ;P But she can't. The barrier won't hold 5 seconds when she stops playing the matriarchs target at this point...
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-10 23:02:20 +0000 UTCShe'll have her eyes popping out when Salvos comes knocking with a few strong ass demons in tow! I mean, she can maybe appraise Haec, but Ultis? Hartia? Manos? Salvos, that can casually stroll through the 7 layer barrier and wonder about the weird sound it made (remember the barrier around Dreamers HQ)? She'll piss herself so hard that she shrivels up into a mummy! I mean, the ancients probably seem strong to her. But Salvos can mow them down in droves now!
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-10 22:58:26 +0000 UTCI think the best strategy for Clayton is to open a hole, get out and Rachel in for healing and have them close the door. Then he and the clone can move freely while fighting. Not that they can do more than kill a few ancients, I think. The rainbow rift regurgitating raging... demons is the only promising move, I agree with that! Just imagining the insane shit Salvos can do... That gets me super hyped up! I mean, Sally can do that to, but the capacities seem to be lacking. [Call of Armageddon]! [Claw of Corruption]! Dropping a few ancients by opening a portal to the corrupted [The World of my Mind] under their feet! [Corruption Mastery] + [Master of Material Manipulation] to contain the matriarch! [Divine Radiant Slash] + [Corrupted Draconic Fury] for some nasty wounds!
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-10 22:48:35 +0000 UTC"You mean Iudex might be dead or dormant and Soli pretends to be him to get a strong vessel?" - Yes. It's a super horrible possibility, but unfortunately it perfectly matches my super horrible feeling about the situation, so I kind of gravitate towards it. Even worse, it assumes that whatever she decides, they are all fucked (because Soli will kill them), unless, somehow, Iudex manages to break free from Soli's divinity-prison. It's all conjecture, but I don't care, Melas made it sound bad, I'll make it sound worse. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 22:43:31 +0000 UTCYou mean Iudex might be dead or dormant and Soli pretends to be him to get a strong vessel? Sounds plausible. Makes me think that Edithe will either take the deal or be stuck in the Spirit Realm for some time to come while Salvos cleans up some shit and levels...
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-10 22:32:15 +0000 UTCThe more I think about it, the more I'm convinced it might be true. Like this: " Or maybe it was in the way the flames seemed to swirl around in a sphere, like it was being forcefully contained into the shape of a ball by an iridescent barrier, rather than blazing brightly like an actual fire." I just have a bad feeling about this, and I hope Edithe does as well.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 20:35:04 +0000 UTCNah, I think the probability is close to 0% for that scenario.
Gonvas
2024-11-10 20:23:54 +0000 UTCThis might be an excellent time to see what [Rapid Disengage] does. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 20:06:27 +0000 UTCWhat if that's Soli/Trico, playing a trick? He just happens to need a body at the moment.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 19:51:50 +0000 UTCTeleporting Rachel in would work. However, teleporting Sally in would be a very bad idea, because the Matriarch is super enraged now, and she would follow and do a full frontal attack at the barrier, which would fall in very little time, considering her levels. On the other hand, trying to kill the Matriarch without Salvos is not doable, I'm afraid. They need reinforcements, and they need to keep the Matriarch busy until then. Clayton is normally nowhere near durable enough for this, but the Breastplate of Alexander should give him some leeway. Clayton doesn't know that the link is up, or at least showing signs of life, but that's their greatest asset at the moment. Considering how he has Divine-infused artefacts and probably has Divinity of his own, Clayton and the Watcher are the only humans who can realistically assist Sally against a corrupted high-level entity. I'm worried about Edithe. That entire thing with the Archangel is a clusterfuck and just went from bad to worse to nightmare.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 19:24:24 +0000 UTCSalvos can teleport them if Claton can shield them long enough, but if shield is up then it is siege time. It seems Claton cant teleport through barrier like Sally.
Użytkownik Przeciętny
2024-11-10 19:05:20 +0000 UTCI get the vibe of being completely about himself and his mission; nothing else matters. That's what I don't like. Edithe's interests and wellbeing won't be taken into account at all. He needs her consent to take over her life and reduce her to a spectator, and she's just a useful stepping-stone towards his goals. Eeek.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 18:28:04 +0000 UTCThe impression I got is that he was quite upfront and honest about it. I feel like he could have forced himself inside of her or omitted that requirement. I also didn't get vibes of him looking down at mortals from this limited interaction.
Gonvas
2024-11-10 18:20:43 +0000 UTCYeah, that would suck. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 18:19:41 +0000 UTCI don't like his attitude.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 18:17:48 +0000 UTCThe entire thing is weird af. Also, looks very much like what Trico/Soli does with humans as "vehicles". I'd nope the fuck out of that one.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 17:59:27 +0000 UTCRachel's plan had very predictable outcome once she got to meet the Matriarch, but I think it had one unforeseen outcome that actually saved them: Sally managed to re-establish the link with Salvos. Without that, a projected outcome was that the Matriarch out-waits them, the barrier falls, she kills everybody and then proceeds to kill everybody in Secily. Waiting increased the probability of outside help arriving, but honestly, Salvos is the only one controlling a significant enough force, with the ability to get more (ask Dad and Belphegor for help). So, although Rachel didn't count on that possibility, and without Sally she would have been dead from that first strike, this now has increased probability of ending well. Also, Clayton might clear up that herd of Ancient Centinels, which will definitely mentally and tactically harm the Matriarch. I don't count much on his effectiveness against the Matriarch; sure, he has the Breastplate of Alexander, but that should be good for two strikes against the Matriarch, and then it's out. Sally has a much stronger defence, albeit short lived. He's also likely much slower than Sally at her current level, but he can still provide several good hits and distractions, making this last long enough for Salvos to finally rift in.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 17:54:39 +0000 UTCI hope they didn’t give him the crown of Alexander
Travis Brown
2024-11-10 17:47:01 +0000 UTCIt's probably obvious, but honestly, any serious duty-bound individual would take that post very seriously even without being magically bound or anything. It's his job to protect the school, its students and professors and conduct himself in ways that promote the school's reputation and prosperity. Since he's a very conservative and pedantic person, he would in any case follow his duties and obligations to the letter. Let's see what tactics he employs, however. I would guess he has one more artefact of Alexander; boots or greaves. Boots might be more useful; they give him both speed and ability to walk on any surface, and that Divine ray/barrier that decapitated Levithus. Tactically speaking, I would attack the Ancient Centinels first, because that gives the greatest probability of success with least risk; basically, save Rachel, and thin the herd, thus reducing the Matriarch's ability to maneuver. Also, Sally can take care of herself just fine, as long as the Flames hold. Then, join Sally by performing a Divinity attack on the Matriarch from behind, and continue hitting her to hopefully get her completely out of balance and let Sally recover and have room to strike.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 17:40:05 +0000 UTCExactly. I haven't liked that archangel since it showed up. Its an insane idiot, leaving it dead is the best thing that could happen there.
ArcaneOverride
2024-11-10 17:36:17 +0000 UTCIf becoming a vessel means her death, Edith can tell him to fuck off. Her time hasn't come yet 💪💪
Gonvas
2024-11-10 17:28:18 +0000 UTCI think it's feasible for Clayton to bring Rachel inside and close the barrier. Now if he's trying to bring back Sally too... 💀
Gonvas
2024-11-10 17:26:18 +0000 UTCMarie Schofen is getting on my nerves. "That Demon", really? She and that person raising a ruckus in that introductory session of the Demon research club are the most likely candidates for people defacing the obelisk.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 17:24:51 +0000 UTCRachel's plan went about as well as was to be expected - talk to the Matriarch, exchange two sentences and get attacked, the way the Devil and Salvos were in the Gulf. As for Edithe, I really hope she ain't taking that deal.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 17:09:14 +0000 UTC“And secondly, you will have to offer your body as a vessel.” - The only correct answer to this is "get fucked". :)
Danijel Turina
2024-11-10 17:06:28 +0000 UTCIf Edithe consciousness is taken over or assimilated by Ludex I don’t see it being worth it
Travis Brown
2024-11-10 17:00:52 +0000 UTCHow binding is that headmaster title I wanna know the description for it
Travis Brown
2024-11-10 16:58:10 +0000 UTCI’m a needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few type of person, I understand why he did it I just don’t agree with it, Rachel knew the risk and unfortunately the risk didn’t pay off
Travis Brown
2024-11-10 16:55:56 +0000 UTCEdithe might either be cooked or getting a big development, that said Mavos academy is simply cooked. Rachel was allowed to cook, and she burnt the whole kitchen. 😔
Azrie
2024-11-10 16:48:40 +0000 UTC
