【小圈子公投】如果建立一站式個人收費平台，會比Patreon方便嗎？
Added 2021-10-05 15:01:05 +0000 UTC在過去一段日子，一直在籌備一個簡單的個人一站式平台，把收費文章、短片、產品、課程、旅遊服務等統一發放，目前初步完成了pilot version，不日將推出。希望了解一下大家的習慣：假如這個一站式平台的收費、內容都和Patreon一樣（再逐步研發一些新功能），大家會喜歡使用Patreon，還是個人化網站，還是有其他建議？若能提供原因，感激不盡。
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自己要小心資訊安全問題⋯⋯
KW
2021-10-09 17:11:19 +0000 UTC1. 系統化內容：Patreon 好難搵返啲想睇返嘅內容，呢個自己平台會好啲，將啲 post 分返類，又或者好似 YouTube playlist咁畀讀者自己分類 2. 網禁：自家平台有極高機會同某地區嘅讀者永遠失去聯繫，叫網絡商 block 一個domain 係輕而易舉嘅事，相對patreon 風險低好多，因為patreon 有更多其他 creators 分享啲無關痛癢的內容，如果patreon 都封，咁Facebook YouTube 應該更加早消失 3. 技術：要整一個好嘅自家平台並唔係一件簡單嘅事，要整個靚樣、多功能就唔難，難在security/scalability/privacy 之類相對「睇唔到」嘅技術，就最近連twitch 咁大間公司都可以畀人hack 到就知唔係咁簡單，當然教授識咁多勁人唔會懷疑你搞唔到，但係成本一定唔平，Patreon 抽你咁多水，某程度上係佢幫你做咗呢啲嘢。另外都有人講咗，付費紀錄/用戶名單呢啲，相對上patreon 冇咁易畀其他人拎到，除非畀Patreon 出賣 4. 總結：少少支持留喺Patreon, 但唔知技術上可唔可以做到：喺Patreon 付費，然後可以喺自家平台睇內容；又或者：自家平台只做Patreon 目錄，好似而家 Facebook咁加條link返patreon 睇內容，遲啲再加上bookmark/playlist/searching/咩都得（平台唔儲user info/email 呢啲sensitive information, 求其gen 個random user id/ password 就算) 5. 其實可能係我諗多咗🙈
Ryan Lee
2021-10-07 18:42:25 +0000 UTCPatreon 嘅功能及版面設計十分不便！雖然作者已為文章分類，但讀者難以將文章分類未閱或已閱。始終沈教授勤於出文，文章好快沉底，一追甩咗，好難追回每一篇文章。好可惜 😢
sharon.c
2021-10-07 17:12:45 +0000 UTC對我而言，patreon最大好處是可以統一閱讀不同作者的文章。
Jimi
2021-10-07 05:22:25 +0000 UTC將文字自動轉做聲音(廣東話)，返工放工搭車都可以聽，俾隻眼休息
DK
2021-10-07 03:23:39 +0000 UTCteachable 較適合課程 (利申用緊)
wai
2021-10-07 01:22:03 +0000 UTC會否考慮與 Kurious 合作？
P
2021-10-06 13:32:11 +0000 UTC我係用like來記錄自己睇咗🤣！
YF Lo
2021-10-06 12:22:42 +0000 UTCThe main concern is the security, and that you may be distracted by IT technical matters. Not an easy option. But you will have your freedom of organising the UI and may even set up an academic DB for the studies of International relations and HK. Please proceed with your pilot version even though I voted for Patreon
Tak
2021-10-06 11:51:07 +0000 UTC邊個平台食水最淺？
Ricky Lau
2021-10-06 11:38:22 +0000 UTC希望個人化平台，可以做好啲分類同 sorting，patreon 冇乜系統，幾混亂，睇過定未睇，只靠記憶
Gary
2021-10-06 10:51:16 +0000 UTC@Gary Lee 無左蘋果，而家搞到連燒山都要睇🥲
Daisy
2021-10-06 10:12:53 +0000 UTC陶傑都摺咗佢嘅大細講，可以問下佢點解。 Cup .com.hk 都少睇，通常係fb睇
Daisy
2021-10-06 10:05:25 +0000 UTC無所謂！要顧及一下不太懂使用付費平台的長輩！
Shirley Lo
2021-10-06 09:55:14 +0000 UTC純粹以用家的角度來看： 我明白是資源所限 — YouTube 的設計比 Patreon 好很多很多，將創作者和其內容有效地分門別類，容易尋找想看的東西；FB 的設計比MeWe 優勝多倍，以至我雖然憎惡 FB 管理層的行為，亦曾以數月的時間全心全意改用 MeWe，但最後仍然放棄 MeWe 我覺得我的手機上已經太多 Apps，一直都在想法簡化 我不想付款資料在網上到處放
Elaine Inouye
2021-10-06 09:40:30 +0000 UTCAs long as it is not easily traceable and blocked, ... still above comment is valuable. Basically one can read all in one place under Patreon.
Dennis Ng
2021-10-06 09:10:57 +0000 UTCBlockchain payment please
Waldo Rehberg
2021-10-06 08:53:30 +0000 UTC而家已經出現好幾個香港人平台，以西方自由主義角度嚟講，有唔同形式嘅選擇，本應係好事，例如雖然以下兩位都係知識份子，但係鐘意睇沈旭暉教授嘅學者式評論，未必鍾意睇852游清源嘅嬉笑怒罵，or vice versa，但兩者及其他KOLs兄弟爬山，就可以顧及更廣層面嘅香港人。 希望各個香港人平台，會係互補長短形式嘅兄弟爬山，而唔係撕裂性質嘅山頭主義。
悉尼 袋鼠
2021-10-06 08:24:18 +0000 UTC葉匿於林
clif
2021-10-06 06:36:54 +0000 UTCI once help an organization to update their website- things I noticed is that a website will need extra efforts to maintain audience unless it is a merchant platform for buying/selling (when was the last time I typed in or looked up a website not related to buying things???). People nowadays really use phone/ pad to read, which web format is not always 100% translate well on phone (graphic /layout lost) - will need a lot of effort to make sure both web browsing and phone interface match/ works. I agree don’t pull all eggs at one place. Patreon can be keep as a writing platform, separated from your other activities- side products, videos…so if one thing went down you still have the other running… my two cents.
Phebe Tam
2021-10-06 04:18:29 +0000 UTC個人平台容易被封
Chee Chan
2021-10-06 03:56:14 +0000 UTC如果Patreon被封嘅話，我唔覺得教授嘅自家平台會冇事
大笪地
2021-10-06 03:42:00 +0000 UTC同意有自己平臺，始終自己可以掌控。城寨已經先行一步，雖然問題多多，但是，這是必須的一步，教授的團隊比城寨好，應該能開拓出一條新路
Dada Ho
2021-10-06 03:36:59 +0000 UTCplease keep email push or RSS function
DD
2021-10-06 03:30:58 +0000 UTC我想有podcast功能，喺街或者扮住工聽最好
Wihmunga Li
2021-10-06 03:01:03 +0000 UTC我用 NOTE 儲存沈教授的文章，以分月/年分檔的。
Regina Siu
2021-10-06 02:39:43 +0000 UTC說實話，開Patreon 我第一個聽蕭生之後再開其他黎睇，包括你既patreon，獨立跳出去新平台我怕我忘記禁你個app🙈
12345
2021-10-06 02:13:11 +0000 UTC分析吓，我都係哩騷用家，但相比起佢地以前用YouTube依家好少用，大約少左9成。基本上一個月睇一次到。係有幾個原因，第一個係apps都不太user friendly。第二個係無其他KOL 既節目，只係單一杜生團隊製作。第三個係自己個人不喜歡太多apps，集貫用開兩3個。 建議您繼續係到用，需然Patreon都需要改進，但係起碼可以一次過睇及聽晒現有大部份KOL 既內容（都同時當節省用係marketing既費用)。自己起個平台要用好多資本（營運既人手，marketing既資金，需要不斷更新app，經營既時間（分析客戶，什麼內容更合適等等）及要考慮安全性問題，可能被水軍打。建議如有其他香港人既平台可以加入，您及團隊可集中資源專注繼續製作高質內容。
Thomas Tsang
2021-10-06 02:01:10 +0000 UTC自己網站自己host,但要確保頂得住國家級搞擾,保安措施係好貴嘅,長遠發展係要有決心先得
Johnny Lau
2021-10-06 01:12:29 +0000 UTCPatreon最大問題係冇得save低D post 有時想搵返幾個月前既post都好困難
Eury
2021-10-06 00:34:47 +0000 UTC會唔會攪完好似杜生個 lateshow 咁會少咗人討論？
Chris Chiu
2021-10-06 00:25:07 +0000 UTCPatreon or 個人化平台都OK,最緊要保障到個人私隱
Monkey
2021-10-05 23:53:22 +0000 UTC我當然唔想你畀錢人賺，但係呢我有subscribe其他人，patreon對我嚟講就方便尐 不過，如果你真係開個web page 做新platform, 我都會支持
Shirley CHOW
2021-10-05 23:38:38 +0000 UTC最緊要方便好用，kurious 至今仍是太差，請不要考慮
Happy Baby
2021-10-05 22:55:11 +0000 UTC我喺美國，我反而覺得用Patreon 安心啲。😂😂😂
Wendy Lam
2021-10-05 22:49:52 +0000 UTC費事俾人哋賺，自己做
Chocobean
2021-10-05 22:43:56 +0000 UTCSubscribed to other authors/artists on Patreon. It's easier for subscribers to use just one consolidated platform (i.e., Patreon) than several individual platforms.
Kai
2021-10-05 22:13:37 +0000 UTC作為兩手準備，萬一 Patreon 某一刻被香港政府全擋既情況，如果無自己平台就即時斷左資訊情報，所以就算唔係專長既事，都值得搵 IT 方面有經驗既公司去幫手。
Chris Chan
2021-10-05 22:13:04 +0000 UTC兩線並行比較好，有 patreon 俾留係香港既人去訂閱，係信用卡就只會顯示 Patreon. 而獨立平台就可以俾海外既人訂閱，甚至可以試下收 crypto 類如 USDT 咁做月費，咁就更加可以避開個人身份被追蹤。 至於同其他香港 KOL 共用自設平台，我覺得係更差既情況，萬一佢地被國家級追捕，就會火燒連環船地被禁，倒不如各有各做令件事去中心化先安全。
Chris Chan
2021-10-05 22:10:29 +0000 UTC整合係差多過好，呢個年頭如果佢地被封就火燒連環船，各有各做先係相對安全。
Chris Chan
2021-10-05 22:04:05 +0000 UTC個人化平台好易出現意想不到嘅技術問題，就算大到FB都會冧機，唔係咁易handle 至於言論審查/服務差/食水深等等問題，我地咪去第度，自己搞個App又要搞infrastructure恐怕唔係教授你果瓣😅
Alex Chow
2021-10-05 21:03:45 +0000 UTC@Wendy 燒山谷針過度，已 cut 咗佢 Patreon
Alvin
2021-10-05 19:39:38 +0000 UTCPatreon遲早都可能會走上自我審查....教授咁有前瞻性你應該都明白
Vikki Wong
2021-10-05 18:18:09 +0000 UTCPatreon用戶功能太簡陋 唔方便 一直都用唔慣
Keke Tse
2021-10-05 17:16:52 +0000 UTCPatreon現階段係方便，但始終驚有日佢為咗打入某市場而改變。 在保持內容自主丶不被干擾下，自己或與同路人一齊搞一個平台，長遠係一件好事。
Yip
2021-10-05 16:57:47 +0000 UTC揀咗Patreon 因為驚新平台有bug同保安問題 但係都支持兩邊一齊搞
Tony
2021-10-05 16:38:37 +0000 UTCI wonder what would happen if pro-CCP capital bought out Patreon. Would they find out who paid which creators? I would suggest Simon Lau's Kurious.live or own platform. Kurious.live seems to be up and running already.
William
2021-10-05 16:36:21 +0000 UTCPayment method 要有 PayPal 我或者會安心subscribe. Like others mentioned already, i am worried about the cyber security.
g_dot_helen
2021-10-05 16:34:25 +0000 UTCPatreon 在功能上確有些設計不便，尤其搜尋及缺乏在訂閱者層面的個人化設定，但安全隱患及風險該比自家平台低。除非Patreon在訂閱收費上對creators 拆款不公，否則還是比較支持留在Patreon.
Louixx C.
2021-10-05 16:33:57 +0000 UTC對讀者閱讀習慣和方便性來講一站式係好D, 一來方便比錢，習慣咗模式，唔洗適應，二來亦可一次過睇到有咩update。但若驚被篩選或限制，自設平台都可以嘅。好似有時會想睇雜誌，有時又會買個別作者嘅書來睇... 唔太抵觸嘅。最緊要有嘢睇，值得睇... 去邊都會搵。 只要自家平台操作簡單流暢就好。
Gnoh Regnok
2021-10-05 16:33:15 +0000 UTC我唔反對試新嘢，咁嘅時勢，唔將所有雞蛋放曬喺一個籃度都啱噃！
阿寶
2021-10-05 16:30:29 +0000 UTC習慣左email/patreon 睇，如果自家平台每日文章有得email subscription 就好了
Kit
2021-10-05 16:19:31 +0000 UTCAgree! The cyberattack is so scary now. 😨😨
Wendy Lam
2021-10-05 16:18:29 +0000 UTC@Gary: 你冇聽，但有好多人有😂😂😂
Wendy Lam
2021-10-05 16:09:27 +0000 UTCCan’t agree more. Maintenance and cyber risk of Personalized page is more than normal ppl can handle. Unless you have experts doing that for you, it’s safer to remain at Patreon. Afterall it’s more organized and structured.
Fevrier
2021-10-05 16:08:20 +0000 UTC如果建立自己嘅同時, 可否技術上點樣取消Patron提供協助
Yipkachi
2021-10-05 15:52:22 +0000 UTCWhat is the goal to set up your own platform? One should focus on what you good at. It’s not easy to have a robust, reliable platform. I will suggest to continue to use Patreon and focus on content instead. Don’t waste time on something not your strength unless Patreon has big issue
Stephen Mak
2021-10-05 15:49:31 +0000 UTCCustom platform has higher risk of getting hacked. Also, card statement of patreon spending are combined and no one outside patreon knows which content creators are being supported, while custom platform will show as merchant on credit card statements. Gov may filter out those card holders for extra education etc.
skiski
2021-10-05 15:43:20 +0000 UTCPatreon 搞收費難被人封啲
WHO ?
2021-10-05 15:40:20 +0000 UTC可否加個點都撑的選項？
Joey
2021-10-05 15:39:35 +0000 UTC如果同路人一起建個平台更好
毛彩工
2021-10-05 15:36:07 +0000 UTC我嘅意思係大家整合發展一個平台，而唔係各自做一個平台，浪費資源。你可以繼續聽/睇沈教授，唔使理城寨、燒生或其他人，就好似而家呢幾個台都係喺Patreon做緊咁～
Alvin Jim
2021-10-05 15:35:53 +0000 UTCAs long as the new platform has an App can be used on phone, that’s cool.
Jenny Tung
2021-10-05 15:35:36 +0000 UTC九年無聽城寨，燒生更加由頭到尾都冇聽
Gary Lee
2021-10-05 15:31:06 +0000 UTC城寨搞緊另一個自家平台Kurious，燒山又話搞香港人網，會唔會大家整合下好啲？
Alvin Jim
2021-10-05 15:25:16 +0000 UTC對我嚟講，內容為王. 若果教授不能暢所欲言，我就會支持個人化平台.
德州公
2021-10-05 15:19:16 +0000 UTCPrefer Patreon. Simply because I am supporting other Patreon. This would be much less hassle. Please consider keeping both instead of one or the other.
Mr. & Mrs. AU
2021-10-05 15:06:23 +0000 UTCPatreon 始終是別人東西，有自家平台當然好
Chris Tso
2021-10-05 15:03:48 +0000 UTC
