【會員獨家影片：Simon 會客室：大師班 131】 虐囚醜聞是怎樣出現的？多倫多大學心理系副教授 Spike Lee 講解史上最有爭議「史丹福監獄實驗」：（一）招募高材生飾演獄卒、囚犯，為甚麼六日就全面失控？
Added 2024-06-21 05:01:00 +0000 UTC早前「新香港」少年監獄接連傳出虐囚醜聞，令人關心監獄內的人權狀況之餘，管理人員的心理狀況，亦很值得分析。在心理學界，有一個非常富爭議性的「史丹福監獄實驗」，研究人性在封閉環境中會出現怎樣病態的改變，成為流行文化經常引用的經典案例。
但究竟這個實驗是否真的有參考價值？爭議之處又在哪裡？
這次我們邀請了多倫多大學心理系副教授 Professor Spike Lee 和我們一連五集進行授課，詳細講解這個爭議實驗的前因後果和方法論。在第一集，他介紹了實驗的緣起和背景，提到招募飾演獄卒和囚犯的都是高材生，想不到實驗進行了六日就全面失控，被逼腰斬。究竟出了哪些問題？
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好detail, 背景講得好清楚, 感謝,
卡路士
2024-06-26 08:27:38 +0000 UTC有不少這類實驗，但其實很難控制不能改變的因素，所以結果永遠充滿爭議
堅離地書院 College
2024-06-22 20:20:34 +0000 UTC建議一併閱讀 盲流感
堅離地書院 College
2024-06-22 20:19:23 +0000 UTCYes at the end we'll discuss the fallacies of the methodology
堅離地書院 College
2024-06-22 20:19:04 +0000 UTC其實這樣的「實驗」的確「有用」，這就是舉國體制的「好處」
堅離地書院 College
2024-06-22 20:18:39 +0000 UTC鄰国直頭以運動形式，50、60年代直接全民實驗 😆😬
悉尼 袋鼠
2024-06-22 12:37:02 +0000 UTC一定過唔到，所以只有無底線的政權可以做
堅離地書院 College
2024-06-22 08:29:55 +0000 UTCPlease refer to Part 2-4
堅離地書院 College
2024-06-22 08:29:15 +0000 UTC很好的實驗 ~ 年輕時曾看一篇短文提及在美國有研究會出一些酬金給自願參與某些實驗。分別將一個人獨處一有限空間，只給一小門窗放食物，水，而室內只有昏暗燈光，沒有任何娛樂活動，可能有一本書... ( 大致記得是如此) 每日有人監察實驗體的精神狀況, 通常過了幾天, 室內的人會閞始自言自語, 心境出現改變。這實驗分年齡，性別，同條件或不同條件在各自的室內，整個過程會有專業研究員經常進行觀察反應和分析作記錄資料。當然我不知道結果，如出現精神狀態不佳是會停止該研究的。
Elaine Yip
2024-06-21 16:46:03 +0000 UTC(未聽節目) 聽講實驗室教授及研究生，最終都不自覺成為參與者，係要由一個外來研究生or學者點醒佢哋，先至即時中止實驗。 如果有下一輯，請Spike Lee教授講吓Milgram Experiment，聽聞有啲參與者debrifeing時要做埋心理輔導；只係有極少數參與者（一個咁多）夠膽同實驗人員當場反枱，但係明白個實驗目的之後，十分感謝及支持該實驗。嗰個實驗時代背景，係以列色政府搜捕納粹黨餘孽，隨後受審戰犯於法庭上嘅辯駁所啟發。呢個科普，對今日好多人無花精神去分析，易於被扭曲對錯，與及祟尚權威領導嘅時勢，十分之有用。 話時話，好多呢啲提供重要突破嘅心理學實驗，唔知今時今日，重過唔過到ethic committee審批…
悉尼 袋鼠
2024-06-21 15:44:42 +0000 UTCWhen discussing the Stanford Prison Experiment, it is essential to mention Philip Zimbardo's book "The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil." This book delves into the psychological factors that contribute to individuals engaging in immoral or evil behavior, particularly in situations where they are influenced by authority, social dynamics, or situational factors. Drawing upon Zimbardo's renowned Stanford Prison Experiment, the book explores various psychological concepts such as deindividuation, conformity, obedience to authority, and the power of situational influences. It also analyzes historical events, including the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, to illustrate how ordinary individuals can become perpetrators of evil acts under specific conditions. "The Lucifer Effect" has also raised awareness about the importance of understanding situational factors when considering human behavior, challenging the notion that evil actions are solely a result of inherent character flaws. Zimbardo's work explores the dark side of human nature and the powerful role of situational factors in shaping behavior. His analysis rooted in the findings of the Stanford Prison Experiment and other historical case studies has had a profound influence on psychology, ethics, and our understanding of human behavior. Not only does the book provide insights into why good people can commit evil acts but it offers guidance on how to prevent such transformations, making it a vital contribution to both academic and public discourse. More importantly, it serves as a reminder for us not to view individuals through the same lens, particularly our friends or those close to us, in various situations. When we broaden our perspective, take a step back and zoom out to some larger-scale scenarios: the disturbing allegations at the Pik Uk Correctional Institution and, extending further, the heavy-handedness of the National Security Department, it becomes evident that the New HK has effectively become a Stanford-like experiment with all Hong Kongers reluctantly serving as prisoners. The stark differences lie in the fact that abusers—or even executioners—in the city with unchecked power can never be considered "good people" by any measure, regardless of before or after 2019, and there is a lack of someone calling off the downward spiral process of the key foundational advantages.
George
2024-06-21 15:20:01 +0000 UTC"the journal American Psychologist has published a thorough debunking of the Stanford Prison Experiment that goes beyond what Blum found in his piece. There’s even more evidence that the “guards” knew the results that Zimbardo wanted to produce, and were trained to meet his goals. It also provides evidence that the conclusions of the experiment were predetermined" https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/2019-letexier.pdf
Chocobean
2024-06-21 14:20:54 +0000 UTCLooking forward to Prof Lee address the fraudulent aspects of this study that has come to light for years, but still overlooked by text book publishers. [The Stanford Prison Experiment was massively influential. We just learned it was a fraud. -- The most famous psychological studies are often wrong, fraudulent, or outdated. Textbooks need to catch up.] (https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication)
Chocobean
2024-06-21 14:15:13 +0000 UTC人真係好恐怖 強調左心理正常 係唔正常既環境下可以咁恐怖
Good Year
2024-06-21 13:17:43 +0000 UTC
