The girlies get to the bottom of an age-old question: what type of woman are you? Normal or ugly? Through an exploration of aesthetic categorization trends, they interrogate the history of categorizing our bodies, choosing our colors, and finding new ways to hate ourselves. They also discuss their on-the-ground experiences at a color analysis studio and Kibbe typing themselves at home. Digressions include a dismal recap of The Debate That Makes You Old and decoding some listener’s dreams.
This episode was produced by Julia Hava and Eliza Mclamb and edited by Allison Hagan. Research assistance from Penelope Spurr.
In the future, all video episodes will be available via the Sexy Legendress tier 💖
They said from now on they are only for the next level up. Well sorry they didn't even say that in the video or audio they snuck it in the description
Erin
2024-07-23 12:05:44 +0000 UTC
I’m on the 5$ one and could see the video …
Erica
2024-07-23 11:06:08 +0000 UTC
Some frogs are neon
Heather Klingsporn
2024-07-17 15:48:57 +0000 UTC
identifying as an endomorph
lucy h
2024-07-12 02:21:08 +0000 UTC
wait so now video episodes will be only on the 2nd patreon tier? :/
lauren baker
2024-07-11 15:41:08 +0000 UTC
Saaame I had a dream about being back in high school and forgetting to do my homework the other night and I'm freshly 29 why 😭
Carlee Knott
2024-07-11 02:48:07 +0000 UTC
the reality of what was happenign to u... there were rats... inside ur body
lucy h
2024-07-11 01:30:12 +0000 UTC
In face reading a gummy smile indicates a high/freaky sex drive lol that's why they're always engaged.
bunbun
2024-07-10 22:25:58 +0000 UTC
This video had me in stitches. Love seeing y'all's faces
Olivia
2024-07-10 18:09:43 +0000 UTC
It’s the snail mucin lolol
katrina!
2024-07-10 12:35:24 +0000 UTC
can you guys make your episodes available to download for offline? 🥺 I wanted to save this to watch on a plane but I can’t download!
Kate
2024-07-10 04:33:51 +0000 UTC
just did it thanks queeeen
Annip
2024-07-09 15:09:55 +0000 UTC
Ruth😢
Georgia Douglas
2024-07-09 02:47:24 +0000 UTC
Then I went another step further and asked it for makeup tone recs and it gave me specifics of undertones that would work well for me, including brands that have good options for my coloring!
Krystol Wade
2024-07-07 20:10:12 +0000 UTC
I have a hack for doing your color analysis through ChatGPT if anyone is interested and doesn’t want to pay hundreds of $$$. Just take a photo of your natural face in natural light, use the color drop tool to select the colors of each aspect of your face within your phone’s photo edit options, then make little swatches of each color on your face to easily access each color. Once you’ve selected a color you can copy down the hex # of that color. I copied all my hex numbers (eyes, lips, cheeks, forehead, eyebrows, etc) into ChatGPT and asked it for my color analysis and season! It was so fun! I even asked it for a board with all my colors on it and another one with my season palette on it.
Krystol Wade
2024-07-07 20:08:50 +0000 UTC
Right like if it doesn’t change then how does having red cheeks affect ur colours!! Also like I’m going white lol so if u need the natural roots else the colours might be different but also ur colours never change… like surely my colours will be different when I have white hair????
Emily
2024-07-07 01:21:02 +0000 UTC
All the color analysis stuff I've read also had hues to the season. For example: Soft Autumn, True Autumn, Deep Autumn. Eliza maybe you are a Soft Summer and she was forcing you into Deep Summer or whatever
Oli Chau
2024-07-06 20:31:36 +0000 UTC
i almost never remember dreams and that commenting about the correlation between remembering dreams and dementia is making me spiral
Emmaline
2024-07-06 19:20:51 +0000 UTC
and WELL YES I do in fact want to kill David Kibbe with hammers!!
Lily Ana Verna
2024-07-06 01:11:08 +0000 UTC
also omg I wonder if there's any relationship between when your birthday is/your sun sign and the color palette. my bday is early-mid October and I got warm autumn which makes sense... but it doesn't match for Eliza and Julia 🤔
Lily Ana Verna
2024-07-05 22:43:54 +0000 UTC
I was shonked that red is the color that looks good on everyone, maybe it depends on the shade of red. I LOVEE to see a red-leaning maroon (not purple maroon) but if I wear a regular red like fire truck red I do in fact look like a clown!
Lily Ana Verna
2024-07-05 22:37:23 +0000 UTC
julia exposing herself for not listening to salt circle when she didn’t know eliza’s aura was orange
Nora
2024-07-05 22:11:39 +0000 UTC
the way I laughed so fucking hard at this
Sam Haimowitz
2024-07-05 19:13:13 +0000 UTC
I really think Eliza is a soft autumn and not a summer… the before/after photo was clashing
Lydia
2024-07-05 19:12:25 +0000 UTC
Jew here and did not know that what the hell???? thank u binchie for this insight
Sam Haimowitz
2024-07-05 19:11:08 +0000 UTC
Oh no sorry I mean it sounds like it's only going to be available to the next tier up from now on. So the $9 one instead of the $5 one
Erin
2024-07-05 14:42:09 +0000 UTC
They’ve always had video eps be behind one of the tiers that you pay for… i think they just let this one be free to celebrate the new studio set up + there’s nothing wrong with releasing something for free to promo your Patreon tiers <3
Princess Cait
2024-07-05 14:20:24 +0000 UTC
Okay but the lovely color analysis lady telling you not to laugh because your face is turning red, like what? Are my colors not going to match the shade of red my face turns when I laugh so hard I need my inhaler??? Hello???
Ryn C
2024-07-05 02:11:48 +0000 UTC
Did they always do it or did they initially give it to all patrons and then suddenly change it to only a higher tier?
Erin
2024-07-04 19:12:06 +0000 UTC
not to be contrarian but I’ve known several podcasts and creators that do this
Talia Rowan
2024-07-04 19:09:34 +0000 UTC
thank u so so much, ur too kind :)
baby.yogurt
2024-07-04 19:08:37 +0000 UTC
I think Kibbe is a bit silly, but I did find that looking into it helped me understand why I might like the idea of an outfit until it was on my body and everything just looked wrong. Definitely can exacerbate body image issues, but it has stopped me from repeatedly trying to put myself into outfits that I know won’t work on me and then being sad when they don’t.
Clur
2024-07-04 18:58:57 +0000 UTC
I agree! I feel that if they film them just sitting together that would be great. Camera cuts are too much.
katbebie
2024-07-04 17:27:45 +0000 UTC
So glad I could help give some insight!
I totally believe in you to do what you need to do for you- you've got this babes! 💖✨
The Immaculate Witch Kaitlin Reckord
2024-07-04 17:09:06 +0000 UTC
Wish we could all just wear colors we feel confident in and actually like instead of diagnosing and forcing ourselves into a certain palette because it makes us “look good” to someone else. Seems like another way to enforce the beauty ideal. I was expecting a bit more of a critique of this trend tbh. But loved the ep regardless!
Verlaine
2024-07-04 16:16:27 +0000 UTC
wow thank u so much for your input :) I definitely resonate more with the second thing, I have been really stuck on something in my relationship and it's been hard to let go even tho I rly do want to. think I'm getting there though. ty again !
baby.yogurt
2024-07-04 15:38:25 +0000 UTC
I came here to mention this…I fear we have forgotten about flowers/plants and tropical animals here lmao
Koyote Meiners-Rios
2024-07-04 14:14:14 +0000 UTC
something I think is interesting about the before and after photos is that in the first you aren’t smiling and in the second you are. if that was natural, cool! But if you were told to/not to smile I wonder if it subconsciously makes you like your colors more?
Natasha K
2024-07-04 14:09:03 +0000 UTC
Yes I love this! Also it’s so dope you’re a color scientist. I’m studying to be a pRoFesSioNaL historian, and I do a lot of work with memory. It’s very interesting how something like language impact how we see the world. 🤍
Liv Tambrini
2024-07-04 01:05:00 +0000 UTC
Some research does show memory is impacted by amount of color words. Russian speakers might be more able to remember the specific shade (light vs dark) of a blue they saw, compared to English speakers. I’m happy to share my sources on any of this.
Clementine
2024-07-04 00:21:35 +0000 UTC
I’m a color scientist and can try to summarize this huge body of work. (If there’s historians in the chat I’d love to hear their takes.) Even modern languages vary in color naming—it’s less about seeing the colors (which is hard to verify) but more about amount of color words. At the bare minimum, some languages only name colors as light/dark. And some, like Russian, have separate names for light and dark blue!
Clementine
2024-07-04 00:19:42 +0000 UTC
Americans know who Goethe is 😭 i think Julia & Eliza are exceptions
Clementine
2024-07-04 00:08:08 +0000 UTC
I feel like this dream could point to how you've decided, perhaps subconsciously, that you want to contribute to a world that has a future. And by contributing to that world you work to bring that future into existence.
On the flip side, it could mean that you're holding onto something that it's time to let go of.
Would be curious to know which one resonates with you! Lemme know if you feel like it!
Dream interpretation is my jam, I love it!
The Immaculate Witch Kaitlin Reckord
2024-07-03 23:36:17 +0000 UTC
Oh wait the videos are only available from now on if we pay for the next tier? Sorry wtf. That's so weird I've never known any other creators patreon to do that. It's just a visual, it's already recorded, it's not like some extra thing like a zoom .. we have to pay more to see you?
Erin
2024-07-03 23:33:40 +0000 UTC
i’m sitting in a crowded coffee shop right now and i CACKLED at “give him one last butterscotch & push him into the sea”
d
2024-07-03 23:15:58 +0000 UTC
ok but can we talk about the terrorism of those “how to be a girl” books everyone had… this is just a different font of that
Hana U
2024-07-03 23:09:22 +0000 UTC
if any binchies would be interested I had a super weird dream last night that I have no clue how to interpret......the world was ending/about to end, and I was watching it happen from space, watching the earth fall downwards and away from the sun and moon, over and over. I was too scared to look for too long so I turned to someone next to me (faceless) and put my face in their arm before looking back. then I realized that I was feeling v sleepy and my breathing was slowing, and that if I let myself fall asleep I would die, and the world would finally end for real. so I snapped to attention and decided no, I'm gonna fix this, and I did something to make the earth go back in its place and stopped the apocalypse. distressing!! no idea what this means :)
baby.yogurt
2024-07-03 22:39:08 +0000 UTC
love and light to the binchie who wrote in but could have done without the rat dream hehe
Hannah B
2024-07-03 22:00:52 +0000 UTC
Trumps gonna win and we’re absolutely fucked. I really think people are being far too naive about that. If you’re reading this, please look into Project 2025 and vote wisely this November.
lefthandedscorpio
2024-07-03 21:23:32 +0000 UTC
i love it when julia and eliza speak siempce
abby reddy
2024-07-03 20:23:08 +0000 UTC
Love yall. It is funny tho how mildly disconcerting it is to see y’all’s beings whilst you chat. So used to the disembodied voices HAHAHA
Ray Maxwell
2024-07-03 19:59:58 +0000 UTC
this had me cackling thank you
Abby Lane
2024-07-03 19:12:46 +0000 UTC
Agree why are we acting like he’s not anti vax as hell
Katie Beer
2024-07-03 18:56:50 +0000 UTC
i love when yall go stemstress mode
maddie haines
2024-07-03 18:29:52 +0000 UTC
My uncle can only see black and white!! he a dog fr
Ani Bagmanian
2024-07-03 17:47:25 +0000 UTC
Epic episode
Cat Cat
2024-07-03 17:38:10 +0000 UTC
The age old question... Is body tea
Yves_ell
2024-07-03 16:52:14 +0000 UTC
sometimes I forget y’all are American, but then you don’t know who Goethe is
Marie
2024-07-03 16:32:08 +0000 UTC
Omg i have that college dream all the time. This makes sense
savannah
2024-07-03 16:09:59 +0000 UTC
Omg I turned 25 2 weeks ago… Truly a scary time…… Happy birthday :)
Judy Bernal
2024-07-03 15:51:17 +0000 UTC
GREEN IS NOT A CREATIVE COLOR! (don’t hug me I’m scared; time episode)
bug
2024-07-03 15:37:01 +0000 UTC
The idea of only wearing certain colors is so depressing to me
Erin
2024-07-03 15:09:33 +0000 UTC
Can you please touch on RFK Jr.? I see so many people hyping him up but his past stances are insane and based on conspiracy theories. People really need to know about this and know not to give him their vote.
Olivia Smidel
2024-07-03 14:47:04 +0000 UTC
yes! and while we’re on this…lizard people is also a bad term to be throwing around, the “lizard people” in the conspiracy are literally meant to be Jews 💀
Clementine
2024-07-03 12:44:37 +0000 UTC
and i love the stu
eileen
2024-07-03 12:06:13 +0000 UTC
I constantly have dreams about traveling, whether it’s on a train, car, plane, boat I’m always on the GO. And of course I at 28 years old have dreams about being in high school again
blaine
2024-07-03 11:22:46 +0000 UTC
“I try not to think about the flesh”
Emily Coffey
2024-07-03 09:17:17 +0000 UTC
Clocking in from Wollongong, Australia! I need Binchy friends in the area <3 <3
Bea
2024-07-03 07:15:28 +0000 UTC
That blue sweater was made for you Eliza
madeline
2024-07-03 06:04:54 +0000 UTC
why do i feel personally hurt by the loss of ruth curry
ashley
2024-07-03 05:36:45 +0000 UTC
Skin is SKINNING ✨💖
Madison Vibbert
2024-07-03 05:09:38 +0000 UTC
I am non binary and the autumn colours speak to me when I am feeling less femme even though according to the thing I am a spring! Anyone relate?
Chloe Sanger
2024-07-03 04:06:26 +0000 UTC
Just got done with my stemstress duties for today and now I get to watch this w a glass of red wine and a joint and a malboro red I love life thank you guys
Rosalind Foppe
2024-07-03 03:22:51 +0000 UTC
I am way too stoned for the combination of the color blindness conversation and the quick camera cuts LOL
Sam Haimowitz
2024-07-03 03:15:02 +0000 UTC
Yes I wish it showed them in the same frame together
katrina!
2024-07-03 03:05:27 +0000 UTC
Bruhhh I’m turning 25 this week too and CANNOT handle it I feel u happy birthday though
Yael
2024-07-03 01:34:46 +0000 UTC
loved the ep! but FYI! “demented” is considered an outdated/derogatory term for people with dementia (sort of like saying retarded to mean intellectual disability) and I feel that throwing that term around is not in the spirit of kindness 😕
Addie Rose
2024-07-03 01:32:58 +0000 UTC
peace and love, but the rapid camera cuts back and forth are giving me a wee bit of a headache
Emily Hering
2024-07-03 01:30:28 +0000 UTC
this is crazy like i knew what you guys look like but seeing you and hearing your voice is combination is quite grounding like wym you aren’t the voices in my head
Erinn
2024-07-03 01:24:44 +0000 UTC
If you close your phone it’ll still play the audio!
Marlena Goodman
2024-07-03 01:09:23 +0000 UTC
Binchtopia dream interpretation episode!!
Marlena Goodman
2024-07-03 01:08:43 +0000 UTC
rest in peace ruth curry 😔 💯
Tara
2024-07-03 01:05:22 +0000 UTC
I really agree with Eliza that knowing your colours can help alleviate the pressure of fast fashion trend cycles and simplify the process of shopping by having a filter to find items that will be more timeless on your complexion. Also love the 'experimental' style episode!!
Sammy
2024-07-03 00:50:41 +0000 UTC
Please please please post the audio versions of the videos. My internet is too slow to load videos :'(
Emily
2024-07-03 00:40:51 +0000 UTC
Ruthkanda forever
Lauren Fanger
2024-07-03 00:00:44 +0000 UTC
Let’s not forget when Lizzie McGuire sung yesterday my life was duller now everything's technicolor 🫵
Emily
2024-07-02 23:48:09 +0000 UTC
julia im sorry but i cannot believe you didn’t think neon colors existed in nature 😭😭😭
brigid
2024-07-02 23:44:38 +0000 UTC
can we get the audio only too pls I am in a place of slow internet
Nat
2024-07-02 23:15:59 +0000 UTC
Omg binchies you should look into Ancient People “not being able to see the color blue” or otherwise not setting it apart from other colors. I remember reading about it in middle school.
Liv Tambrini
2024-07-02 22:51:29 +0000 UTC
we need a skincare routine from the both of you, it’s crazy how clear your skin looks 💅
Eva Paramo
2024-07-02 22:48:26 +0000 UTC
Really interesting how eugenics really make their way into everything. I don’t recall an ep focusing on eugenics although it has certainly been brought up before. If there hasn’t been one maybe a good ep idea? Would love to hear more about eugenic TikTok trends so I can stay the fuck away
mel
2024-07-02 22:44:12 +0000 UTC
My mum took me to get my colours done when I was 18, and I was diagnosed winter (same as Julia) and I was also unsurprised. I love my jewel tones and my silver jewellery, although I do also enjoy wearing an autumnal russet brown/orange sometimes, which is technically forbidden.
On the Kibbe stuff, I definitely fall more on the 'kill David Kibbe with hammers' end of the spectrum, despite being a (self typed) soft gamine, which is one of the ones with a less hideous description. I got really obsessed with Kibbe types in recovery from my eating disorder, and it was really just another form of endless body checking. I broadly think all of this introspection surely can't be good for us.
Upon relistening to some old eps, you guys talked about 'that girl' aesthetics, and how none of it is about being a kind, honest person but rather about looking clean, althetic and hot. That's my feeling now, that really what's more important than 'dressing your lines' or 'wearing your colours' is being in clothes you can get angry in. All of this stuff just keeps us distracted from real things. I wasted years of my life crying over plates of food and my own body, when I could have been finding out about the world, and experiencing all the joy and richness that nature and life has to offer. Loved the poem at the end
Imogen Squire
2024-07-02 22:44:07 +0000 UTC
I was about to comment the same thing 💞💞
Emma Schuster
2024-07-02 22:29:36 +0000 UTC
Super excited for future video eps tho!
Victoria Siegel
2024-07-02 22:27:32 +0000 UTC
Wait is anyone else disoriented by the camera flipping back and forth so much
Victoria Siegel
2024-07-02 22:27:08 +0000 UTC
Omg I have the exact same kind of dreams all the time - I often dream that I have a tiny baby and I’m supposed to be looking after it but I just forget or leave it at home or don’t feed it?? It’s my go to stress dream. I think it relates to general anxiety and my worries about being incompetent/not responsible because forgetting about a baby is basically the worst thing a person could do
Sydney Sopher
2024-07-02 22:17:29 +0000 UTC
would you guys consider posting the audio as well 🥺🙏🏼 I listen to most podcasts while driving for work. love you guys!
Sunny
2024-07-02 22:13:03 +0000 UTC
Eliza i got my color analysis done last year and you described my experience EXACTLY. she determined i was a summer when i was really hoping to be an autumn and i still have not accepted silver into my life but it’s a give and take
Jillian Cuervo
2024-07-02 22:03:05 +0000 UTC
re: the pregnancy dreams, i feel like having a dream about neglecting a pregnancy or a baby is probably because you're stressing about something you're supposed to be doing. like i have this dream all the time that i'm back in college and i'm about to graduate but i realize i forgot about a class i was enrolled in and never went to it so i failed and can't graduate. and i feel like that's almost a similar feeling of like neglecting something important i was supposed to be doing (i.e. taking care of baby)
Olivia Neal
2024-07-02 21:41:03 +0000 UTC
Omg I’m so excited to watch this with my cat, he loved ur last video episode like he was fully paying attention and taking notes.
Chance Al-Hajji
2024-07-02 21:38:25 +0000 UTC
The Ruth Curry loss is major 🙏🏻
Audrey
2024-07-02 21:37:39 +0000 UTC
audial AND visual stimuli for my sesh what a day
mazie
2024-07-02 21:33:44 +0000 UTC
the stu is ever so cute
mazie
2024-07-02 21:32:22 +0000 UTC
Love and peace but can you do a camera angle where we can see both of you bc I’m motion sick with the back and forth
Virg
2024-07-02 21:20:54 +0000 UTC
Normal or ugly? 😂
abby c
2024-07-02 20:56:19 +0000 UTC
(Also neon is a chemical element)
Ann
2024-07-02 20:35:25 +0000 UTC
Lol one of my friend’s dad owns a snail farm 😭
Ann
2024-07-02 20:33:22 +0000 UTC
Also I just met an Austrian man named wolfgang
Aarya Ghonasgi
2024-07-02 20:32:36 +0000 UTC
i got my colors done a couple of years ago and am a diagnosed winter (i also did HoC but mine was only like $200??) and unfortunately my girl did cook….. i keep trying to buy warmer toned things bc i love those colors and they unfortunately flop tremendously compared to navy, black, etc (but tbf i also already knew those looked good on me).
the one thing though is that i don’t think they know how to work w darker skin tones. maybe i’m just in denial because i LOVE gold jewelry but i feel like she was wrong recommending silver to me and at times got a bit stumped bc im naturally more olive/neutral toned and my skin is brown lol
Ritsa
2024-07-02 20:30:27 +0000 UTC
Need you guys to make a playlist with all the songs of the summer on it. The Binchtopia Soundtrack of the Summmaaaaa
Cierra H
2024-07-02 20:20:56 +0000 UTC
Omg I get to watch something while I clean my room this is so fun!!!
Sarah McIntyre
2024-07-02 20:13:55 +0000 UTC
have had a really really rough week at work (on my 25th birthday week no less! you already know that birthday cry is going to HIT on Friday) and this is exactly what I needed to switch off before I do it all over again tomorrow, thank you always girlies for being there in times of trouble <3
Hope
2024-07-02 20:03:38 +0000 UTC
The first sentence made me ROFLMAO
Helen Kellogg
2024-07-02 20:01:58 +0000 UTC
Why did I think the title meant let’s let’s get kibbeh, the traditional Lebanese dish, with our meal😭😭😭
Josie
2024-07-02 19:52:49 +0000 UTC
I can't wait to watch my favorite parasocial TWINS
Kay
2024-07-02 19:48:42 +0000 UTC
YESSS RIGHT WHEN I NEED TO WASH THE DISHES (I have to watch something when I wash the dishes otherwise I just won’t.. so this is my cocomelon for people with horrific executive dysfunction)
Josefina Troncoso
2024-07-02 19:44:12 +0000 UTC
Thank god I’m feeling lonely on my first night in a hostel in Prague but now I’ve got THIS
Aarya Ghonasgi
2024-07-02 19:41:16 +0000 UTC
ur kibbe type is beautious girls
mimi kiki
2024-07-02 19:37:41 +0000 UTC
ladies u look stunning. NY looks good on u!
Maeve Barnes
2024-07-02 19:33:59 +0000 UTC
i’m about to have the most joyous afternoon… thank you julia and eliza <3
Ella Fuller
2024-07-02 19:30:33 +0000 UTC
I got stoned before the debate and became very scared and then promptly fell asleep ❤️
Claire
2024-07-02 19:29:55 +0000 UTC
ruth curry: ?? - 2024
sis & bub: 2024 - ?? close enough welcome back ruth curry
sis and bub
2024-07-02 19:27:31 +0000 UTC
OH EM GEEEE!! gotta stop everything im doing for 1 hour 32 minutes and 24 seconds
Maya Arrata
2024-07-02 19:26:44 +0000 UTC
My queens you look gorgina !! Eliza that dark hair EATS
Poppy Summers
2024-07-02 19:26:44 +0000 UTC
They’re really chosen to bless us today
Cassie Hudson
2024-07-02 19:24:34 +0000 UTC
I was JUST thinking about how I want to get my colors analyzed omg 😶