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Ep. 788 - Alien: Romulus

David, Devindra, and Jeff take flight with Batman: Caped Crusader, take a closer look at Pictures of Ghosts, and try to tame Bad Monkey. Then they get some face time with the latest installment in the Alien universe, Alien: Romulus.

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Alien: Romulus
SPOILERS (~01:18:05)

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Ep. 788 - Alien: Romulus
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Mixed on this one. It looked amazing - fully realized world - amazing practical and CG - great performances - especially from the 2 leads ... but that 3rd act RUINED this film for me ... it went from an A- to an F (imo)

This

Totally agree. I mean they could have gone 2 other ways in Romulus. It would have been so freaking cool if the ingestion period had been closer to what it is in the original and they had used the X-ray lamp to sort of track the progress of the chestburster. It would then create a b-plot where they have to try and hurry to get it out of her. Which then could play on her fear of dying and so on and let us know that character. Another route they could have taken is that the face hugger failed to impregnate her so we think we are in the clear since in the beginning it's implied that there was only one Alien. We later learn that there are a shit ton of them. Maybe they find some scientist strung up on the walls and it's an Aliens-scenario. In either case they could have made it way more interesting than what they ended up doing.

Jesper

Oh yeah, that is terrible singing.

David Esposito

The alien lifecycle thing really was irritating. I feel like they started that back in the first AVP movie, although I could be wrong. Very clearly in the original movie it took a while before Cain was impregnated and then it took quite a while after the facehugger dropped off him before the chestburster emerged. In that movie Cain gets the facehugger on him on that alien ship and then Dallas and Lambert have to drag his unconscious body back to the ship, which must have taken hours. Then it's on his face for what seems like at least a day before it falls off. After that, Cain is still in a coma for quite a while before he even wakes up. During that period we see Ash in the room with him experimenting on the dead facehugger. That movie made it seem like at minimum it was days between Cain first encountering the facehugger and the chestburster emerging. Then in the sequel we see the last of the colonists wake up when the marines first go in, and it's established that it's been weeks since the aliens overran the compound. It seems like in these more recent films though, it's all about just hurrying up and rushing to all the set pieces, as that's all they seem to care about now.

Stranger2Reality

I personally think that if they left the “you bitch” part off of the “get away from her” line it would have been a nice little subversion. It was just so completely out of character for Andy to say, and for no reason

Austin Buccowich

SPOILER FOR ALIEN ROMULUS BELOW. So about Alien: Romulus...or rather Alien: Remix as I would like to call it. I thought this movie started out good. I like how the technology was old and in line with Alien and Aliens. I sort of bought the premise and thought about the first 45 minutes was really good. But then they introduced Ian Holms character and the first time he speaks it was kind of a neat wink to the old movies...but then he became the main antagonist of sort and at that point the movie started to lose me. I was also not a fan of the timeline of the Alien Lifecycle. It feels like for every movie the lifecycle just gets faster and faster and now it's just ridiculously fast. From the point the facehugger was pulled away to the chestburster came it literally took less than 5 minutes. And then it grew to full size in less than 10 minutes. Thats just madness and completely unbelievable. In Alien it took at least a few hours before Kanes chestburster appeared and then a few hours on top of that before it got grown. Same thing in Aliens, same in Alien 3 and in Alien Resurrection. In Covenant it went faster and that is a gripe for me for that movie as well. The lifecycle going so fast just destroys the tension in my opinion. I also didn't like the forced timelimit of 47 minutes. Now that may sound like a long time but it really really isn't and them accomplishing all that they did in those 47 minutes just isn't feasible in my opinion. Now I started this review by calling it Alien Remix and it borrows and remixes heavily from the earlier movies...way to much in my opinion to the point that it almost became a fan movie. I also think they show way to much of the creatures...even though they are from a modern standpoint really restrained. I just happened, wasn't really planned, to rewatch Aliens the day before this and what sticks out with that movie is just how much tension there is. Now, why we don't see the Aliens that clearly in that movie is definitely partly because of the limitations of the technology of the time but I think that restraint worked a lot in the movies favor. Romulus doesn't have that restraint and I think it's poorer for it. There is also way to many callbacks with one instance being really egregious. I will however grant that the anti-gravity stuff is pretty cool and original. When the Alien baby is birthed that is where the movie jumped the shark for me. I just couldn't buy into it and again the fast lifecycle. As for the characters I really didn't give a crap about them unfortunately. They don't get enough time for me to care so I don't get invested in their fate. The storytelling is also really fucking clunky at times in how they deliver the exposition. The movie looks really good though for the most part and it's competently made but it didn't quite do it for me and for me it's inferior to most of the Alien-movies.

Jesper

Absolutely he can, haven’t you heard… “Story of the week, it’s the story of the week, story of the week, It’s the story of the week!!”

Peter Tribe

Jeff can sing?

David Esposito

Can you guys elaborate on Vince Vaugh's acting legacy? You mentioned he changed the face of acting but I don't see it.

ivano

I hate to disprove your theory, but I've seen most of the films dozens of times over the course of over 30 years, so I'm pretty intimately familiar with the franchise. I would say I caught a majority of the references; the ones I mentioned were brought up in the podcast and thus felt most relevant to comment on. Callbacks and references, when done well, don't rip me out of the moment, and I would say the vast majority in Romulus make sense within the universe. Other than the Ian Holm scene (which is only so bad because of the horrible CGI and the questionable use of a dead person's likeness; the "callback" nature of it was great) the only reference that came close to "breaking my immersion" was the drinking bird, but it was so slight and innocuous that I was able to enjoy it for the cute reference it was. But cornbread? A cute callback to Aliens, sure (though, the cornbread in Aliens was itself a callback to Alien, btw), but also one that makes sense in this universe where good food is hard to come by and corn, being one of the easiest crops to mass produce, is used to feed the poor masses, like livestock. The auto-aim gun, Andy saying the bitch line, etc...none of it breaks my immersion any more than recognizing a piece of score re-used or shots framed to evoke iconic imagery of the franchise. This is fan service done correctly, meaning that if you're a fan you'll recognize it and enjoy the nods and consistencies, but if you're a newcomer there's nothing in the film that wouldn't "sit right" or not make sense if you're not picking up on what the film is calling back to. These callbacks (really, most of these examples are actually just world building) add a verisimilitude to the universe the same way that chest-bursting, androids bleeding milk and 'the "company" is a faceless evil' do. I think the more films you see the more you realize how much every movie is referencing and calling-back something in some way. Cinema Sins and the like have trained a generation of movie-goers to believe that catching any reference is a fault of the film and not a skill of the savvy viewer.

Hahmstrung

Cailee Spaeny though just looks super young as well. Last year she was in Priscilla and at the beginning she's playing a 13 year old girl and 100% looks the part. One of the most remarkable things about that movie was how utterly convincing she was playing the same character at age 13 all the way through to her being in her late 20s. You don't doubt for a second the age that she's playing in that movie.

Stranger2Reality

I said this elsewhere in these comments, but I think the more familiar you are with the other movies, the less you'll enjoy Romulus, and it's because of all the callbacks. To categorize the callbacks as "just a few" makes me think you missed the vast majority of them, because they were constant and everywhere. Some were super obvious, like Andy saying "get away from her you bitch" and the awful CGI Ian Holm, but there were so many littered all throughout the movie. If you were aware of them, then they continuously ripped you out of the movie.

Stranger2Reality

Omg thanks Devindra for mentioning PICTURES OF GHOSTS. I didn't know it was available to stream. I was so sad to miss it in theaters here in nyc.

Alec Rodriguez

Fun fact: Sigourney Weaver was 28 in Alien, Cailee Spaeny is 26. People just looked older in the 70s & 80s.

Nervous_NRG

I don't really get all the backlash against the few callbacks in Romulus, at least not the ones pointed out during the podcast. "Get away from her, you bitch" while an obvious callback to the previous film, is also an extremely common thing to say in a situation like that. I've said similar things to animals creeping up on my deck in the backyard at night, plus I do believe it was set up when the asshole guy was yelling at Andy earlier in the film. This franchise has always had these kinds of visual and aural callbacks to the preceding entries starting with Aliens. Before going into the spoiler section I actually thought the 2 words Jeff alluded to were going to be "perfect organism" spoken by Rook. I actually didn't have a problem with that myself, though I did think using Ian Holm's likeness was the film's one huge misstep. Within the universe it makes sense that multiple "Ian Holm" models would exist, and I'm glad, at least, that they got his family's blessing to use his image, but the end result just looked awful. The bad deepfake tech did not at all add to the eeriness of the character, it was wholly distracting. We've seen androids in this state of disrepair before, in Alien 3, where a Bishop model is reanimated in much the same way. Except that scene did and still does look incredible because it was all practical! I actually thought they were going that route at first when we weren't getting any close-ups of Rook, but then they ruined it. An Ian Holm cameo would be cool....if he was alive and young enough to perform the role, but there really was no good reason to bring him back using this crappy tech. If anything it might've been more poignant to have Andy's actor also play Rook, or just get another living actor. I genuinely feel like the Ramis appearance in Ghostbusters was far more tasteful. Regarding the auto-aim gun, this tech was already established in Aliens.

Hahmstrung

Aside from the distracting call backs, I totally agree! I keep on wondering, what if we had a movie that followed through on the Andy's set-up all the way. Where he's the main wrinkle of the film, but the big bad is still the alien creature. How do these characters solve problems and survive, when Andy wants to do what's good for Rain, but that doesn't mean what's good for everyone else. If Andy's directives still remained the same, instead of aligning with Weyland-Yutani, then there would be more room for Rain's character to grapple with her emotional attachment to this android. Where as when Andy's directives are overwritten, then there's not much for her to reckon with, because he's not really Andy anymore. I feel like there's more room for interesting problems the characters have to solve, and also character development too.

Bruce Chang

So glad Dave mentioned that part when the lights from the ship shine through the vents as it scrapes alongside the station. Such a cool image that adds sense of realism.

Garry L

“Bend the knee” absolutely predates Game of Thrones, which I know because I’ve never seen GoT but I am very familiar with that phrase. It’s probably more common in the UK than in the US but it’s definitely been in use for a long time. GoT probably popularized it in recent years though.

Cameron Stewart

The movie falls apart in the second half. First half was great though.

Cardassian Vexillology

Apart from the terrible CG Ian Holm and distracting callbacks, the film was pretty good. Great set pieces, atmosphere and set design. Characters weren’t as memorable as the earliest films, but overall very well done. I suspect I’ll like this more on rewatch now that I’m aware of all the distracting bits and will probably just come to accept them. Did not care for the design of the hybrid at the end though. Much preferred the hybrid creature in Resurrections.

Lahiru

Agreed, the cg Ian Holm was disastrous. I don’t buy the logic that his CG-ness was in line with him being an android. His fakeness didn’t look like it was due to him being a damaged synthetic being, but more a thing that isn’t physically present and occupying the space it’s meant to be in. An animatronic would’ve been far better. And consistent.

Lahiru

I had an online conversation with someone yesterday who loved Romulus and thought everything about it was so exciting with special praise for the lighting and production design….and then it was revealed that he’s very young and had never seen any of the original 4 movies, only Prometheus and Covenant. So this tracks.

Cameron Stewart

I found the CGI Ian Holm actively offensive, not least because of how unnecessary it was beyond ham-handed reference to the original movie. I am astonished they let that absolutely ugly deepfake onscreen. What disrespect to a great actor.

Cameron Stewart

Baffled by yall's tepidness regarding the Ian Holm cameo exposition digital fuckery creep fest. Ian Holm, Lance Henricksen, Michael Fassbender were all creepy androids because of their performance, not because of some digital restoration deepfake sheen.

Ryan Goodwin

🤦🏾‍♂️

Cardassian Vexillology

Yeah, in the original Alien you learn a lot about not just Ripley, but everyone, because they spend the first half hour or so just talking among each other and trying to figure out why they've been woken up so early. They don't get to the planet for a while, and we don't even see the xenomorph until about halfway through the film. Really it's the same thing in Aliens, Alien³, Alien Resurrection and Prometheus, where we spend time with the characters and get to know who they are first before the shit hits the fan. Romulus was more like "Here's our main character, and her life sucks. Here's her friends, but don't worry about them, they won't be around long. Let's go check out this deserted ship, and oh shit, there's a bunch of aliens chasing us now." The only thing I could really tell you about Rain is her life is miserable and she's never seen the sun and that's her one real desire. But then they quite easily see the sun by just taking their own ship up into space for a couple minutes, which makes me wonder why they've never done this before. Other than that, I don't know what else to say about Rain. "She wants a better life" isn't much of a character defining trait.

Stranger2Reality

Cannata with two n’s?

April Reid

I’m stoked they are doing blink twice tho- it’s getting some real love and it’s good to see a new director burst out with a good one The crow… well, that looks like what we feared

Jay Wood

Jeff’s “Alien Rightulous” LOL!!!!

FrayfraySF

I think as a "don't think too much about it" kind of fun romp this movie does deliver, and it certainly has some spectacular sequences. But I think you're also onto something here. If I remember correctly, in the old films, we learn a lot about Ripley just from her interaction with the other crew members. There weren't really big set pieces one after the other, and a lot of the movie was them talking and trying to solve this situation; where as in Alien Romulus, (like you said), Aside from beginning of the movie, it feels like the characters were ushered from one set piece to another, and when there were down times, it was used for exposition about the black goo, instead of us getting to know the characters.

Bruce Chang

Honestly Andy was the only character in this movie who had really any depth or, well, characteristics to him. I think it would be nearly impossible to describe any of the other characters in this movie to someone if you weren't allowed to describe what they looked like. Like for instance, Rain, the main character, what kind of a person is she? What are her character traits? Also, did anyone have a conversation in this movie which was not just explicitly moving the plot forward? This movie was about as thin on character development as any in recent memory. Judging by how much audiences are loving this movie though, seems like people don't really care about that kind of stuff anymore.

Stranger2Reality

Am I the only one who thinks that new Crow movie looks horrendous? It hasn't been screened for critics yet, which isn't a good sign. But the trailers are giving me Crow 4 vibes mixed with Jared Leto's Joker more than anything.

Stranger2Reality

He's more interesting in the first movie when he's mourning the death of his wife and trying to cope with what his life without her is going to be. That and he's also got an air of mystery about his past that helps a lot. That's all gone in the other movies though.

Stranger2Reality

They actually did this in Alien³ with the scrap of what was left from Bishop, and it was far, far better and more effective then than this awful digital recreation of Ian Holm, despite the fact that Alien³ is more than 30 years old. It seemed like Disney wanted to make absolutely sure people knew it was supposed to be the same model android that Ash was, rather than make it look more realistic with a disfigured face.

Stranger2Reality

@Ba'alWhale34 - Yeah I was interested in the movie basically right up until they went into that cryo room and then it just turned into the most generic Alien film ever. I think that, much like with Star Wars, there's plenty of interesting stuff to be mined from this universe that's been created, and the beginning hinted at some of that, but Disney just wants to stick with what's safe, and unfortunately, not very interesting. Ultimately it was pretty disappointing for me.

Stranger2Reality

Agreed. That first movie was far and away the best one, IMO, because it actually had some pathos to it, and was slightly more grounded in reality. The rest are fine, and have great stunt work and action scenes, but they're pretty ridiculous, and get less and less believable (bulletproof cloth suits?). I think some people (including a couple of the hosts) grew up on films they loved that really only had stunt work and action scenes going for them, and now have a kind of nostalgic itch they're trying to scratch with newer action films, and thus the only criteria for evaluating the movie is "how good was the action?" I like a good action scene as well, but clearly other people fetishize it far more than I do.

Stranger2Reality

That’s just silly. I didn’t love Romulus but there are literally thousands of worse movies. Some of them even within the same franchise.

Brad Arnold

The love of John Wick 4 over all other John Wicks baffles me. I was so disappointed in that movie. Just interminable flash with zero stakes, zero logic and a plot that seemed to be assembled via Mad Lib. I even bought it and tried to give it a second chance because I love the rest of the series and couldn’t get through it.

Brad Arnold

Man, I wish I had the same experience of seeing Alien Romulus as they did. There are a lot to love about the movie, but all the callbacks either made the movie feel insecure, or like there was a bit of studio meddling. There was no reason it need to be THAT model of android in the movie. It's great that the actor's estate and everyone involved agreed that it's a good idea, but the implementation of the tech seemed poorly executed. To me, the deep fake footage looking wrong wasn't a feature, it also just further pointed out the limitation of that tech and, tore me out of the movie more than Tarkin did in Rogue One. My initial reaction was, "Am I seeing the limits of the movie's budget right now?" I'm certainly not saying Tarkin looked great, but it at least looked like a properly animated 3D object in space, where as with the android in Alien Romulus, there are portions that almost looked like an animated texture plastered over a 3d model. The mouth and lip sync didn't look right because that's one of the hardest things to do with deepfakes. The lip sync always look mushy. The inside of the mouth is also just looks like a black texture devoid of details. That being said, getting good lighting from deep fake footage in that area is just really hard to do because the inside of the human mouth is super complicated. In the end, it looked like broken tech in our world instead of broken tech in the world of Alien Romulus. The aim assist is also a reference to the Smart Gun in Aliens. All the call backs aside, I really wish the film would have focused more on the tension between Andy and the other characters. There was a moment in the movie where Andy starts chasing someone, and I was so excited for that to be one of the driving conflicts of the movie, but ultimately it wasn't really, and is sort of resolved in a hand wavy kind of way.

Bruce Chang

I'll say this: if all you want out of an Alien movie is basically just a Friday the 13th movie in space, where you have a bunch of thinly drawn characters to act as cannon fodder who just run away from monsters on a gloomy spaceship, then you'll love Romulus. If what you're looking for is set pieces instead of a story, then this is the movie for you. Personally I prefer actual characters to care about, and a movie that takes its time to develop them before the running and the screaming starts, and I prefer suspense to mindless action, but that seems to put me out of step with modern audiences I guess. Even by Alien³ they seemed to realize if they were going to try to replicate the formula of the first movie that they needed to offer something more, so they tried with the interesting prisoners turned monks angle, and that was enough to keep it fresh. Same with the genetic experimentation of Resurrection, and all the big swings they took in Prometheus. By Covenant though, they basically ditched most of this and just went back to "what if we had a monster chasing people around again?" Romulus is just more of this, except that they also larded it up with so many callbacks to the other films that the more familiar you are with all those movies, the more chances there are for you to be ripped out of the movie with all those meta winks at the audience. It's the equivalent of putting the Wilhelm scream in a movie a couple dozen times. "Oh look, they're eating the cornbread from Aliens at a table that has that drinking bird toy from Alien on it!" This stuff adds absolutely nothing to the movie for me, and instead just reminds me that I'm watching a cheap knockoff of much better movies. If you're not that familiar with the other movies, you probably won't notice all this stuff though.

Stranger2Reality

No review of the Crow next week?

Mitch Ringenberg

Hyperbole gone wild. Regardless of your thoughts on Romulus, in a world with Zak Snyder and Neil Breen films this doesn't even come close to tipping the scales towards being "one of the worst fucking movies ever".

Chris DeLilla

Interesting take. I'm very familiar with the Alien series and I absolutely loved Romulus. Also, Covenant is my personal #3 if I were to rank the Alien movies and I'd put Romulus in at #4 after it. Did it hit on a few too many familiar tropes? Sure. Also the de-aging CGI was simply Bad. The performances, the expanding of the Xeno-lore and the set pieces really elevated this for me and I can't wait to watch it again

Chris DeLilla

Main problem with the John Wick movies and the reason I’ve found them so boring is the character of John. He’s so dull and lifeless. Show some personality for shits sake

Mark P

I loved Romulus and I’m glad you all did too! One note, the character Bjorn says something to the effect of “get away from her (me?) you bitch”toward Andy early on in the film to set it up for Andy to repeat later.

TheGHeebs

I feel like Romulus is a movie where the more familiar you are with the other movies in the series, the less you'll like it. Disney seems obsessed with just strip mining their existing IP to slap a glossy sheen on it, fill it to the brim with absurd fan service, and just juice it with action with no real depth and no new ideas in it. Younger fans seem to eat this stuff up though. IMO this was The Force Awakens of Alien movies. It was fine but for me I'd probably put it as the worst Alien movie, or maybe alongside Covenant. It was basically a fan film with an $80 million budget. There really is no appetite for anything original anymore, sadly.

Stranger2Reality

The first half is good

Cardassian Vexillology

Yep

David Stripinis

Which one? Romulus!?

Chris DeLilla

One of the worst fucking movies ever.

David Stripinis

The digital cameo could have been amazing if it was a practical effect. Build the damn robot. Same uncanny feeling, more verisimilitude. I thought the digital effect looked awful and not in the uncanny-part-of-the-movie-way.

Brandon Lee Tenney

Just a reminder to the guys that the best pop culture day of my week is Tuesdays on podcast day, the second is “Well Dave, my feelings…”

Reynaldo K. Cruz

Is this the first time the podcast has said the c-word?

J.S.

So relieved you guys liked it! I had a total blast, I saw it twice over the weekend. Such a roller coaster.

Jacob Chimilar

Wtf ..Glitch in the matrix.. Just last weekend i broke out "Wits & Wagers" the board game, bought more than a decade ago because of Jeff's recommendation on TRS - And the ONE question that blew all our collective minds was when was the word "hello" first included in the Webster dictionary .. and wouldn't you know it you guys bring it up this week .. seriously though mentioning this one week earlier would've made me make bank on this tidbit of knowledge :D

BKBonez

It’s absolutely infuriating that the new Batman animated series is not on max the one to watch for HBO.

Reynaldo K. Cruz

Yesss so excited to hear your thoughts!

Greyson Flax

0:57 Jeff's dad joke. I'm tell you folks they are getting worse and worse by the year!

Cardassian Vexillology


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