Enjoyed the video. Went through phase of putting myself in the friendzone both in high school/early college and later in grad school both after long term relationships ended. Probably just confidence lowered at the time. I realized the pattern after second LTR, and went on match. My SMV was instantly raised going on there as it rulled out whether or not they were interested in a relationship or me in general. 4 years later I'm now married (with prenup :) ) and extremely happy. Looking back now and seeing how I put myself in situations because lack of confidence is just silly. Even telling stories to my now wife she looks at me puzzled as to why I didn't make moves on some girls sooner or in the moment which was a eye opener
2018-11-30 02:36:30 +0000 UTC
I know this has nothing to do with the topic above, but thanks Alexander for recommending Land of the Losers. I just finished reading it and it was a real roller-coaster of emotions.
It's kind of hilarious on how he views American women, like he has grouped all of them as being the same, but I do understand his views. My take is that he just chose a bad bunch due to his blue pill level way of thinking.
One thing I will say though, is that the man has stones...He's got some real courage to be approaching women like that. Something I am aspiring to do in my won non-existent dating life. I definitely saw myself in this man.
Neil Pinnock
2018-11-11 00:33:19 +0000 UTC
I heard some guy once say that when you approach a beautiful woman, the fear pops into your head that says some tough alpha guy will put his hand on your shoulder and say, what are you doing bro? You can't talk to her. Know your place.
I found that very interesting
Alexander Grace
2018-11-10 00:23:01 +0000 UTC
When I was younger - maybe my late teens, early twenties - I definitely had the mindset you talk about of avoiding sexualising any interaction out of a belief that I had no right to place that kind of burden on a woman. I'm not really sure where I picked that up from - maybe some combination of my own neuroticism and vague bits of feminism floating around that I had picked up. (I don't totally place the blame on feminism, because it was to do with my own neurotic interpretations of those ideas, and yet I'm not quite inclined to totally let it off the hook either.)
I'd say the feeling was also one of terror, somehow. The idea of being 'found out' as having desire for someone who didn't reciprocate it was a terrifying thought - visions of myself being denounced as a horrible creep, etc.
Glad I've mostly ditched that mindset.