PATREON EXCLUSIVE: Respectful Disagreement - Women Should Not Be Promiscuous

Isn't it hard for women to not have sex for several months or years? I mean I'm pretty sure they experience lust like men too. Maybe not every day but certainly every month. So what is Alex saying, they should limit themselves to masturbation?

At the end of the conversation: " I don't agree or disagree. I just keep on supporting the same bs I was supporting since the beginning, cause of whatever psychological issues I might have (and I dont know of)"...... Women in a nutshell...

The reasons why women shouldn't be Promiscuous are deep. there is a lot more to it then not finding the right man. i'm glad there is a dicussion about that

Women mostly do not like taking responsibility for their actions, that's why she doesn't mention it.

I think both of you were right. She was right about saying that every single person is free to do whatever he/she wants to do as long as the person is not hurting anybody. Your point about promiscuous women being less appealing to men is right on point. However, I would put these two arguments together by adjusting her statement. " Every single person is free to do whatever he/she wants to do as long as the person not hurting anybody and is willing to take responsibility for his/hers action."

In lectures on human sexuality prof. Robert sapolsky mentioned a theory for male homosexuality. He quoted a study where the researchers looked at the numberof offsprings of the siblings of a homosexual person and they found significantly more number of offsprings for the sibling. The theory goes like the presence of a homosexual guy increases the chances of survival of the offsprings of the siblings(by providing resources and protection for the offsprings) hence increases the net number of copies of the family genes overall.

Hardik Gupta

I think you sidestepped the real reason that women choose to be promiscuous in this one. If a woman insists that sex only exists within a committed relationship, the men she can choose to have sex with will be limited to those who are willing to commit to her. If she is open to having sex with men who will never commit to her, the pool of men she can choose from gets much bigger. She does not have to worry that he might be dating other women. The men that are unwilling to commit are the men that many women find desirable. These men don't commit because they have a lot of options. If she knows the guy is married, she might still be willing to be his mistress if he otherwise would be out of her reach. I think for a lot of women, they seek out the players who a lot of women have their eye on and fool themselves into thinking that the man will commit to them. It is only when they get older that they realize that they should have been more selective. The good guys that they pushed aside have long since paired up with someone who could see their value.

Michael Carleton

I'm convinced that women don't understand female promiscuity (neither do men theirs, but that's a whole other story). Casual sex can be mind-numbingly boring, regardless of how hot the encounter (the experience never lives up to the promise - as the saying goes, there is nothing so overrated as bad sex). Validation and peer pressure have a lot to answer for in groupthink culture. I think the same question of promiscuity applies to men. We are all, both men and women, being had in this hyper-sexualized groupthink. Alex raises a valid point about the raging hormones in youth. But the relentless promotion of sexualized culture sustains the myth of male "needs". Those needs are not that strong, when you de-sexualize the context. The sexualisation of context is all in the head, fed relentlessly by culture, pornography, and the contraception technologies that enable it. Before our contraception technologies, it was very rare for men to have had more than one or two women in their lives. Leaders like Genghis Khan or Suleiman the Magnificent had several, but the majority of their men had to do without (beyond rape and pillaging of villages).

Good conversation. I would like to see the video include the concept that most men get their sense of self worth from exercising their values related to business ethics. And contrast that with the concept that most women get their self worth from exercising values related to sex. I have a theory that mens morals relate to business and money. And womens morals relate to life and death (sex). To put it in an analogy: A female who doesn't care who or how many people she has sex with is the moral equivalent to a male who doesn't care how he gets money (like for example, Hunter Biden) To take the analogy further; a male who earns money with a strict code of ethics by earning money in a way that helps people, or always being honest with those he does business with, would be comparable ethically to a female who only has sex with someone she wants to be in a relationship with. Is that sexist?

Ash, I think I'm misunderstanding something in your statement. Do you mean promiscuous women as a group dont have as many children because they dont form as many longterm relationships? Or do you mean promiscuous women produce more children as unwed single mothers? Those two statements sound contradictory to me so I must've misunderstood it.

Jennifer Coopman

I feel like at 5 minutes you won her over but she wouldn't concede defeat.

Promiscuity in men and women grosses me out. That said, I do believe both genders can act as they please. However, the possible ramifications of such behavior should not be hidden, underplayed, or sugar coated. If you are going to walk a well worn path - don’t bitch when all you see is the trash and destruction left by the others who came before you

It seems like Alex was saying (in general) that it's better for women if they choose not to be promiscuous, and she's responding with roughly "yeah but we can if we want". I don't think Alex was arguing that women shouldn't be free to choose to be promiscuous, so IMO her responses largely weren't quite on topic.

beret-doppelganger

Thanks to you and the girl in the video for the thoughtful discussion. BTW, on the subtitles/card showing at 4:15, I think "sauce" should be "source", and "sqs" should be "promiscuous".

beret-doppelganger

I think the discussion is being turned too much exclusively towards women. A man that fucks everything in sight (or tries to act on such a dream) won't end up on much neither. You want to act on instinct? You will get the result of it. Don't complain if the higher part of you isn't reflected in a relationship. It could hurt. But A.Grace did mention here or there that the goal was not sex, but truly a fulfilling relationship. So I'd personally think it requires to connect on all aspects......so he isn't saying a man should be promiscuous neither Take care...........don't try to fuck everything in sight, or you'll end up liking low quality lol

I suppose it comes down to personal autonomy vs what is best for women.I don’t know how men can have a legitimate claim in knowing what is best for women though?And we would have to be guided by research on the matter.Is promiscuity degrading women’s self value?How is that even measured?Not to mention, the whole arena seems like an extremely tricky thing measure accurately In the first place.

Josh Isaacs

Very interesting discussion. Unfortunate though that most girls don’t think the same as you and have been fed the feminist ideology as being the best. I would actually go a step further and say by doing this and being promiscous they are reducing their chances to pair bond, which means less long term relationships in the society as a whole whether its through marriage or not. And that leads to negative-stagnant birth rates which is a massive issue in western countries and has been since the inception of feminism. Not to mention the one parent households and the stepfather/stepmother crisis, such an environment just isn't as healthy as both parents of the child being present and that's been proven by science. So no you don’t get to do whatever you want because you actually are harming the society at large by doing so just like a drug addict as Alex said. Freedom must be given but to an extent. Anything unlimited rottens.

Damn Alex take on hedonism took me by surprise! I never looked at it that way. I also like your elaboration on it 👌🏻

rumlyne

Interesting take on hedonism, my take is that most people are hedonistic because they are either not challenged enough in life or are overwhelmed by challenges and cannot take them on. So basically hedonism is like the evil twin of self discovery, instead of going inside and figuring out who you truly are, you go outside for external things that you cannot control and that are easier to attain in hopes to discover parts of you, but you're always going in the wrong direction. Don't know if I made sense though.

elnibs

She got wet when you started with the 12/13 yearold talk lol