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PATREON EXCLUSIVE (Full Video): Why do women actually want to get married

PATREON EXCLUSIVE (Full Video): Why do women actually want to get married

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Alex, another great video. Loved it. My two cents is that your last part o the video discussing what to do before marriage is slightly askew. IMHO, you got a lot right...talk, look at the potential in-laws, etc. The reality though is that life circumstances usually change substantively during the marriage - kids, promotions, spending habits, stress levels, friends, menopause...it all changes...and seldom is it for the good. Bottom line, does the woman sees you as a partner or a piece of furniture / ticket. But that is tough to figure out before the marriage starts. 'Cause she doesn't even admit many things to herself.

John Moose

@RhodiumMaiden - I've RARELY, if ever, heard a woman citing "hot sex and excitement" as a REASON for marriage -- in fact, usually it is QUITE the OPPOSITE that's expressed (or at least implied), MUCH more compatible with comfort and long-term stability and security for a woman, with "hot sex and excitement" being more the stuff of extramarital trysts.

Joseph Omega

@JO My point was that some women marry BECAUSE they want to have hot sex and excitement. I did. I also married for comfort, especially longer-term, ofc.

RhodiumMaiden

@RhodiumMaiden - I'm actually aware of a similar rea-world dynamic -- not so much as the wife is always the one to initiate sex, but that she seems very needy for attention and validation by her husband. Of course I don't know your particular circumstances, but I imagine that, at the extreme, this could prove a very intimidating and annoying experience for a husband.

Joseph Omega

@RhodiumMaiden - Well, for most men, it certainly LOOKS that way, primarily because of the EASE with which it can be accomplished, at the same time as the indelible "mark" that each body-count is perceived by men to have on your reputations.

Joseph Omega

ugh... heard of that. I don't think I would live with a woman in that case. Also heard too many times, that the relationship was BETTER, when they were NOT living with the GF, all the time.

Bernhard

Oh yeah, not having your own personality or sense of self is a disaster.

RhodiumMaiden

I guess i meant not having no own individuality. That your whole world is just a reflection of your partner. Im sure there are exceptions but I think in general it’s not considered an good thing, to give your entirty to your partner. I would worry about some latent non acceptance of ones self, issues… Either way. I really hope you find someone who will appreciate that and reciprocate that in the way you need. 🙋‍♂️ Best of luck to us all

Peter

I don’t really see a problem with doing something solely to please someone but fortunately most things that please others I just naturally happen to enjoy, which is a blessing. Although I’m not very good with words of affirmation because they do not matter much to me. But I’d work on that for the right person ofc.

RhodiumMaiden

😅 a good relationship makes you want to be better. I mean aslong as its not only to please the other person, i can see the honour in that statement

Peter

Definitely! Long sex SUCKS. It’s all about the fast frequent quickies. Tho I don’t agree that women require both types of orgasm. Or that women even need to orgasm every single time.

RhodiumMaiden

Not all women have casual sex/extramarital sex.

RhodiumMaiden

I married: Bc I want children For love, companionship, having someone to nurture For daily meaningful sex Shared finances, building a life together (much more efficient than being single, at least with the right person) I think it’s classy I wanted a wedding Roughly in that order. Also I keep myself in better shape when I’m in a relationship than when I’m not. Not that I’m ever in bad shape, but a good partner inspires you to be better. At this point I will not remarry until I’m pregnant bc I’ve been overly burned by men not following through on that.

RhodiumMaiden

My relationships have never had introductory phases like this (they just automatically start as trial marriages), or at least not on my end (although you could argue that it was my fault for marrying a man incapable of initiating sex). I really don’t get it how people can be so changeable. To be fair, I was mad my late husband didn’t change. But I didn’t know that would eventually become an issue. Not the end of the world but it was definitely suboptimal. I’d still have married him but I’d just accept that if I want sex if I always have to initiate.

RhodiumMaiden

What sucks is that where I live in Canada, if you live with the other person for at least 3 years, then they have the same rights as if you were married ...

Louis

@EC - Does the Peter thing have to do with a “delulu” comment?

Eric Linden

@E C - (Repost) You're welcome.

Joseph Omega

@E C - You DO appear to enjoy your "research". 👨‍🎓

Joseph Omega

@E C - And in characteristic feminine style, STILL stepped into my snare nonetheless. More data for your research?

Joseph Omega

@E C - Experts that you are? 😅

Joseph Omega

@E C - Crazy may be a relative term. Some men claim that ALL women are.

Joseph Omega

@E C - I think we BOTH love women, even the b*tches. We just find so many of them annoyingly misguided at times, like most children.

Joseph Omega

@E C - As I said before, it's not about THEM, it's about YOU. And again, is this a rhetorical question whose answer you already know?

Joseph Omega

@E C - Are you referring to me or Dr. Peterson?

Joseph Omega

@E C - What about RhodiumMaiden?

Joseph Omega

@E C - Well, still time to unblock. PS. Want to give a last farewell contribution to Alexander's new video?

Joseph Omega

@E C - I rather doubt there are many here who would be so crass or injudicious.

Joseph Omega

@E C - Nope. No "deleted posts" other than the one you keep mentioning (the gist of which I largely reposted elsewhere, and for which you are now eagerly seeking), and the duplicate one in this thread that you pointed out. But your acknowledgement of your tendency to speak with a ceratin "eccentricity," shall we say, may mark a turning point in your self-awareness and healing. 👍

Joseph Omega

@E C - Ironically, now that you say it, this assertion of yours itself DOES strike me as more than a little bizarre. 💁‍♂️ I would not say it exactly rises to the level requiring calling it "crazy", but I CAN see others speculating as to its logical foundations.

Joseph Omega

@E C - Sometimes you can be so amusingly transparent. OK, you needn't answer the question if it is too painful or sensitive. We can leave it here for tonight. 🙏

Joseph Omega

@E C - This is a common Feminist (or maybe even FEMALE) deflecting tactic -- it's actually called "Whataboutism". I SPECIFICALLY asked about "'crazy WOMEN' of the type mentioned by Dr. Peterson".

Joseph Omega

@E C - OK, for the sake or argument, let's say you're NOT crazy, do you think that there ARE "crazy women" of the type mentioned by Dr. Peterson? PS. As I always speculated, the line between "nice" and "kind" can sometimes be RAZOR thin.

Joseph Omega

@E C - Oh, so this would have been an example of a "dumb" video similar to what @Peter posted to you that you found "offensive" and would not even WATCH just because of the title? I'll have to go see if I can find what they were. So, I gather you did not watch this one through to the end, like I did for Manifestelle? BTW, do you recall saying "I actually think of the four people mentioned Peter is the nicest. But, he's long gone, I can't get him back." Were you being sincere? PS. By the way, everyone is a little "crazy" sometimes (even me) -- it's crazy times.

Joseph Omega

@E C - Oh no! He is way WAAAY too "nice" for THAT. That was ALL me. I figured, if your intent here in this Patreon was to understand the TRUE male experience, warts and all, I needed to be "kind" and show you more of how we REALLY feel.

Joseph Omega

@E C - For research. Was it too "mysogynistic"? 🤔

Joseph Omega

@E C - A relative DROP in the bucket for sure, in EXTREMELY high demand. When most RATIONAL women are too socially isolated or belittled (or blocked) by CRAZY WOMEN evening out imaginary discrepancies, change is FAR beyond the horizon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL3Hrwg3A3w

Joseph Omega

Yeah about the love thing, that is exactly it, I get love and give love in the relationship, not the marriage. Spot on ❤️

Alisha

@Eric Linden - There DOES appears to be some truth to this, with notable caveats: https://chatgpt.com/share/66ec578d-4c84-800a-8fcd-c8b6ac9792c6

Joseph Omega

@E C - A TWOFER, so to speak. 🙇‍♂️ Don't forget to give us the results of your two-year "research" project here before you leave -- I think it would be of great interest to many.

Joseph Omega

@E C - Oh my! I had NO idea you felt this way! Are you saying that you wanted to protect me because I was in DANGER of opening up to you? That's very considerate! PS. I LOVED "The Lake House" by the way -- Sandra Bullock is GORGEOUS! BTW, Iosif is spelled with an "I", not an "L".

Joseph Omega

Thanks for point out that LOVE was out of the options in the survey. There is hidden agendas out there to push out certain outcomes in favor of others in order to give a spiritually disconnected world view to people. Concepts of values become hidden or censored by the algorithms replaced with more depraved and shallow concepts. The brainwashing framework don't stop in TV or journals.. it goes up to the research if there is shady funding going on. Look how the medical field is pressured to censor data from the horrendous covid jabs prime-effects.. "epidemic of suddent and unexpected deaths" "scientifics are baffled by sudden spike in death rates and a dive in birth rates in the young.."

ATH-YF

@Eric Linden - VERY well put. 👍👍

Joseph Omega

A rare bit of wisdom from Pearl. There are some parallels between what has gone on in the last year of her own life. Women are struggling to find themselves with so many options out there to choose from. We men crave options. Women are overwhelmed by them.

Eric Linden

I would not normally recommend her, but here is Pearl Davis talking about women and marriage: https://youtu.be/bPy8cyeh88U?si=JUv5l_I308xrWyaX

Joseph Omega

@E C - But Keanu Reeves IS an actual real person. Still, I get your point -- you may NOT be able to completely LIKE someone you don't know, but that scarcely prevents you from LOVING them, from what I understand. If you wish you may call me Iosif. As for preaching, there IS quite a choir here already. But your "minority reports" certainly WILL be missed, to be sure. PS. Alexander just released an even more insidious trap awaiting your capture.

Joseph Omega

Yeah letting yourself go is a bit simplistic I think its fair to say dating can be stressful and one is glad to “relax” and feel “safe” not anxious. Which might have the effect of not stressing about your body as much if you were so inclined.followed by gaining weight I guess coz you are not fretting and having to look good to attract someone.. But no reason to not get back into looking good for not anxious reasons. But genuine happiness and health reasons Alas I don’t think a period of lounging your new found safety is fairly described by “letting yourself go “

Peter

Thankyou for sharing In the video alex mentions that “love” was left out of the article. I am curious how come you didn’t explicitly mention “love “ or “ companionship “ I suspect its an automatic given and thus not worth mentioning. Or you get that regardless of marital status. Its a reason for a relationship but not necessarily for marriage. That sounds wierd🤭 let me explain. Marriage won’t bring anymore or less love. But marriage does bring security and stability. Benefits. Love doesn’t, or shouldn’t increase or decrease because of marriage. Aka neutral.

Peter

@E C - Even YOU said that I'm more effective as a mystery. I tend to agree. Still, I'm guessing that it WOULD be tempting to think I was a frustrated or jaded divorcé, seeing as I'm on this Patreon -- this WOULD be the stereotypical member.

Joseph Omega

@E C - Well, you COULD interpret what I do as Devil's Advocacy as well. Whatever challenges you the best. Either way, I think you're the stronger for my humble efforts. 🙏

Joseph Omega

@E C - Reluctance to even CONSIDER change is always a telling sign of inflexibility, almost by definition. I am neither groupie nor activist. I go where truth and (intellectual) humility leads. I neither approve nor disprove of your life or choices -- I only strive to point out inconsistencies and opportunities for growth based on observations of whatever you choose to share. If a life as Xena leads to pain, frustration and psychic bruises, I can only lead you to the waters of an alternate path, but I cannot MAKE you drink.

Joseph Omega

@E C - That was not actually my question. But alas, we all DO have to live with the inevitable consequences of our conscious decisions, and would have none other to blame for any outcomes we deem unpleasant. To again paraphrase, this time the Second Amendment: "A well fed society, being necessary to the comfort of a lazy and decadent culture, the right of the people to remain slaves to their own egotistical choices, shall not be infringed."

Joseph Omega

A mix of the following: - I want children and feel that bringing children up in a stable marriage would give them a better life - my ego (I would feel a bit weird if my man didn’t want to marry me, I would be okay with it but I would strongly prefer to be married) Stuff about biological clock doesn’t matter to me because I am 25 and have been wanting to get married asap since I was 15 🙈 I was never one for wanting the party life. I also don’t agree with the idea of women wanting to get married so they can let themselves go, no one wants to let themself go and that only happens because people find it harder to maintain weight and health as they age, childbearing and other high responsibility and high other high stress things happening which lead to a decline in putting yourself and your health first. I doubt there are people thinking “I need to get married so I can eat like crap and gain a few stone”

Alisha

@E C - To paraphrase a popular Christian expression: "What would Gabrielle (as opposed to Xena) do?"

Joseph Omega

@Peter - To which of us are you addressing this question? 🤔 I frequently find it useful to preface each response in a thread with the handle of the person to which you are specifically replying (if any). It helps avoid misunderstandings.

Joseph Omega

@Eric Linden - "Discuss it before marriage. If she dismisses [or better, REFUSES to acknowledge] the legitimacy of the dilemma, dismiss her." Again, our debate around the need for FULL "prenuptial" clarification.

Joseph Omega

@Flavio Souza - "Women are lazy and cowards as reasons for the lack of desire". That would certainly be one compelling way to look at it, but ONLY from a MALE point of view, based as we are on "stoic strength" and "loyalty". In a FEMALE universe of understanding, they are just being "true to their feelings", a COMPLETELY different pradigm altogether, where "laziness and cowardice" would be to NOT "follow your heart wherever it may lead". Males and females: Two ships often "passing in the night".

Joseph Omega

@Peter - Your points are VERY well made. That part about sex being "purely about physical pleasure" is problematic for me too. But I think I can see what she may be trying to get at. It is that women, because they tend to try to make sex ALWAYS about love and relationships, they entirely miss the RAW PHYSICAL PLEASURE component of it. As a result, it often becomes a performative act that they have to "put up with" when they are "not in the mood". I think I also see YOUR point that sex is best as a HOLISTIC experience -- that concentrating on JUST the "copulation" aspect deprives oneself of the FULL range of rich experiences available. In an attempt to reconcile the apparent conundrum, here is MY take: Women DO confuse sex (meaning that which is related to physical attraction) with LOVE (meaning that which is related to deep caring and commitment). It explains why, when women experience sexual attraction to someone ELSE, they conclude that it MUST be love that they feel, and so get BURNED when they sacrifice "the bird in the hand for the two in the bush". But the confusion is understandable because sex (the copulation and physical related activities) CAN be used as a VEHICLE to ENHANCE deep caring and commitment -- but to do so, this must be done as a CONSCIOUS DECISION in order to avoid the errors associated with "spontaneous, superficial and transient" attractions. Again, women's propensity to "give into" or "fall" in love (where men "decide to" or "jump") helps explain the anomaly and clear up misunderstandings. All that said, there ARE times when a man feels he "absolutely MUST have it" (sexual intercourse or related physical activities), or that a woman feels she "absolutely MUST have it" (emotional attention or "princess treatment") and, at those times, DUTY must prevail REGARDLESS of one's qualms or reservations, if the long-term viability of the relationship is to prosper. Both "boat" AND "island" need the "energy" resources stored to weather the occasional "squall".

Joseph Omega

Peer Pressure from other women, that's the top reason IMHO. Seeing your 'friend' with a guy and being envious of them both for reasons you made up in your head that probably aren't true. Women live in a fantasy land, when they reallze that they are not in fact cinderella but one of the ugly witches the get resentful and start hating all men. That further pushes them down the ho spiral of a body count for most women today that would put French hookers to shame but have countless SIMPS on their knees begging for crumbs.

Well shit.

Finished the first half. I i can not say how terrifying this situation is to me. A life of obligation and low key resentment would follow. The obligation part i is me. False sense of duty, flogging a dead horse. Previously i have neather the feelers to recognise it, the understanding where it might cone fro, nor the tools to try remedy it or avoid it the first place. While avoiding it is probably the best and easiest method. I cant help but recognise the ubiquity of that happening and thus concluding it probably is not intentional or wanted by the partners. And this an drawn to a human and compassionate aproAch of working on and through it. But there MUST be willingness and better yet enthusiasm for that undertaking. You can lead a horse to water. But you cant, nor have the right, to MAKE it, drink That last part, my sense of obligation and duty. Had be bringing the horse to water. What i thought was good water and staying there longer than i wanted, or deserved. That said, to he fair… i doubt i was offering anything that my partner was interested in drinking anyway… 😅

Peter

Done: 4 of 5 points are really good. Just find thatt one point is REALLY Bad though. It almost undermines all the rest. 👍 good watch.

Peter

@E C - Certainly you COULD just tell him yourself. Didn't you just unblock him? He is here in this thread. PS. If I'm any judge, rather than making him feel safe, I suspect you GREATLY unnerved him. As a woman, you need to "know your place" (as you yourself earlier said) and to recognize and be sensitive to the effect you have on others, including (and maybe ESPECIALLY) males. Remember, this Patreon is largely a place of refuge and of healing for MALES. Just a suggestion. 💁‍♂️

Joseph Omega

The poin i don’t agree on is sex is purely about physical pleasure. All the bonding hormones and oxytocin that is released during sex speak absolutely against that fact It is about love on a very biological basis it is about bonding . We might have forgotten that, but our bonding have not . Sex is absolutely also about love and bonding Without that component again, we have a nutrient deficient fast food junkfood alternative to actual nutritious and nourishing sexual experience

Peter

Half way through and its similar to another guy who has a clinical practice for women sexuality. He often speaks about the expectation women put on themselves based on social media narratives and the image of sex that porn has made so ubiquitous Including violence and domination during sex That they chronically have trouble getting out of the head And that the anaemic sense of sex that they get is not something they truly look forward to, but it is better than absolutely nothing Under those prerequisites, I can’t imagine enjoying sex myself either …

Peter

I was expecting some wild stuff but point 1 is very reasonable. Not being a good place personally. Having given too much . And sort of resenting giving even more. But i see an an opportunity for a kind partner to help. To bring a partner to a place where they dont feel they are giving in sex. But recieving nutionment for their soul. Im not talking about them just becoming the taker. I consider it like getting a meal cooked for you. Or cooking a mean for someone. Including washing up. That’s purely taking or giving. Compared with cooking together, sharing and enjoying the timr and activity together where at the end both of you feel your have a great time, your body and soul are nurished and the ts good whole some self cooked meal with no regrets or resentment. Now if both are not their , its ok for one of the two to lead there. That for me is teamwork.

Peter

Curious, are you a women? Do you see a man who gets married as “bending to a womans terms and requirements “? Aka “folding”?

Peter

In the end that is this state of marriage. if at least the initial intentions in that union were genuine, it would reduce my negative judgement of. But if that article that Alex showed is representative of women’s choices to get married. Then the outcome is premeditated rather than an unfortunate current state of affairs

Peter

@Peter - Did the-person-we-shall-not-speak-of just UNBLOCK you? She is on THIS thread, and I just responded to her last post.

Joseph Omega

I think of myself as pretty close to genuinely sweet or better said kind. Sweet sounds very much like a “nice guy” who is just a emotional trash can. Like a cuddle to toy with unconditional affection. Its hard to explain in a brief manner. But if i look at the people to feel rejected ot dejected gravitating towards me. Those that have felt the back lash and judgment of society. There must be some kindness there.. of a willing toilet. Who doesn’t want a nice toilet. Ppl don’t really appreciate the way i say i don’t appreciate that. Listening is easier for me than expressing my self.

Peter

@E C - Actually, you appeared to have received a DIFFERENT message from the one I sent (you tend to have a habit of listening to YOURSELF rather than the one speaking): Gabrielle was BY FAR the stronger WOMAN of the two, PRECISELY because of her COURAGE in the face of enemies she could not POSSIBLY defeat -- you yourself sent me a CLASSIC clip when she saved Xena against all odds, willing to GIVE HER LIFE. Xena was the professional soldier -- there is little courage in doing your job. REAL men love strong WOMEN, not STRONG women. Get the difference?

Joseph Omega

So we have a few women here id be curious to hear what your personal reasons are for considering marriage are. In the video the mentioned article had -Ticking fiancial clock -Family planning and motherhood -Societal pressure and gender roles -Celebrity marriages and trends -financial stability -challanges in the dating scene -limited pool if eligible partners -fear of remaining single Alex mentions - wanting a wedding. Disney princess moment. Edit oops i hot this all wrong 🫣 i thought that was where that bit was going Genuinely curious, not looking for justification or looking to challenge anyone. Might ask clarification questions And gooooo! 🙈 If ppl are interested in my reasons, i can say.

Peter

@E C - Ah, NOW you understand the reason for my CLEAR preference.

Joseph Omega

@E C - Again, I'm deeply flattered, but I'm sorry to disappoint you this time. Also, an "attractive baddie" does not preclude a humble feminine woman -- in fact it ENHANCES the effect. Akin to the "strong silent type", is it not? That's why Gabrielle is a LOT more attractive to me than Xena herself.

Joseph Omega

@E C - Not being a "Chad", I would not really know. Do you WANT a Chad?

Joseph Omega

@E C - But female humility sells, ESPECIALLY with men -- was that not the topic of a recent video from Alexander?

Joseph Omega

@E C - I'm just saying that genuinely "sweet" people are usually WAY too humble to even consciously CONCEIVE of themselves as such, or are VERY reluctant to list their accomplishments. Are you saying you disagree?

Joseph Omega

@Eric Linden - Sad, but so often true. Hence the need for prenuptial "discussions" of the type we discussed elsewhere.

Joseph Omega

She did a good job on that video, exposing women. Basically she is saying women are lazy and cowards as reasons for the lack of desire.

Flavio Souza

nice post

Flavio Souza

@E C - That may be so, but I'm afraid I know of precious few genuinely "sweet" people who would so openly self-describe. For all I know, you may WELL be one of the few exceptions. PS. Can you descibe some archetypical characteristics of childlike behavior such that I may compare you to them?

Joseph Omega

It isn’t the only reason, and it isn’t all women, but it is the idea explored in this video. It is also explored in many videos in the Happy Wife School. We’ve discussed other things. She wants the party and being the center of attention the wedding provides, then she wants the child or children. When those events are done, the big dream is over, and it’s often downhill from there.

Eric Linden

@Mara - "Anyone marrying for any other reason than binding blood lines or kingdoms, is doing it wrong." There is a STRONG element of truth in this, but maybe there IS wisdom in this "relic" for EXACTLY those very same reasons (the binding of blood lines, not necessarilly kingdoms). For much, if not MOST of human history, marriage (as an institution) has been between FAMILIES, far more than between individuals -- hence the COMMUNITY pomp and circumstance that has grown up around it.

Joseph Omega

@Eric Linden - Perhaps, but it sounds awfully CLINICAL though. Personally, I love it when women get intensely WET in anticipation, but it may take a fair degree of masculine discipline to not "crack the egg before its hatched" so to speak, especially after the honeymoon is over.

Joseph Omega

@Eric Linden - Not disputing your assertion, but you appear to be equating "passion, excitement and hot sex" with "unpredictability" in the mind of (all?) women. Marriage IS about "predictability" after all, so I DO follow your reasoning. However, do you think this same calculus holds true for men as well?

Joseph Omega

@Eric Linden - Makes sense, but I think you may need to qualify/modify each of these with: 1. ... under trying conditions 2. ... in person 3. Specify YOUR desire for a future, asking her to repeat in her own words, then asking for her opinion 4. Specify YOUR expectations surrounding sex and money (saving), asking her to repeat in her own words, then asking for her opinion

Joseph Omega

If a woman wants passion and excitement and hot sex, she will stay single. Women get married because they want that phase of their life to end.

Eric Linden

Isn't this classic love-bombing behavior? It's simple. She's a narc. She is toxic. She will not change. GET OUT!

ThePaul

1. Observe her behavior 2. Look at her parents marriage 3. Discuss your future together 4. Discuss sex and money

Eric Linden

Stats from multiple sources and research projects all confirm that living together before marriage greatly increases the rate of divorce after eventual marriage. My thinking is that people living together, always keep that “out” option in the back of their mind, and are never fully committed to making the marriage work.

GomerKyle

Imagine entering into a business venture with a partner, where you have to provide the vast majority of equity to get incorporated. Your partner is expected -- but not legally obligated -- to make any contributions, and any of his earnings are for him to keep while yours go into the corporate coffers for all capital expenditure. Now, in case of dissolution, he will not be liable, and is further entitled to half of all company assets. In addition, you are legally obligated to continue his salary and lifestyle till death, or until such a time when he finds another employment, which he is not legally obligated to do. Who in their right mind would ever take up this deal? Marriage was once a sacrament and a covenant. Modern feminists have made a mockery of it, all the while persecuting it with the full weight of the state behind them upon propaganda-indoctrinated unsuspecting men.

Hyperion

Actually at least in the United States if you live together there are laws that allow a woman to file for a civic claim and even without marriage without a trial you can end up losing assets and being required to make regular payments to her. It’s really messed up, fairly common, and a driving force behind a growing number of men avoiding women altogether.

Daniel M

It is a myth that women want sex to last a long time. The amount of time sex takes out of her life is the major reason for the decrease in frequency over time. She could be on social media or doing one of the other things she enjoys. Women want three things that should be fairly easy for a man to provide: a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal orgasm, and they’d like their man to have his orgasm. Both men and women have been duped by today's culture into believing the other wants the act to go on for an hour or more. Everyone is different, sure. Not many want it to be just a quick 3 minutes, but they don't need it to go on forever either. Men. If you can accomplish the three things, you can have your four times a week. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/2km2en/how_long_per_session_do_you_want_sex_to_last/

Eric Linden

Marriage is taking any incentive from the women and utterly devalues you as a men. It's a recipe for disaster. The only reason to ever marry are economic. This is a relic from the past. Anyone marrying for any other reason than binding blood lines or kingdoms, is doing it wrong. If you are not royalty, you don't marry.

Mara

This is what happens to sex after marriage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9WzfCUwqQ unless you take steps to prevent it. Discuss it before marriage. If she dismisses the legitimacy of the dilemma, dismiss her.

Eric Linden

I think the "bait and switch" is quite real, and wish you'd discussed it more. I suspect a lot of women subconsciously RESENT having to play all the games they have to play to "get a man." And once they have a man "in the bag," they often indulge themselves by jettisoning those behaviors, as a matter of regaining what they regard as their self-respect. They don't see getting married as a sacrifice, but not as at all liberating either. They often do see being older and single as a sign of failure as a woman. Esther Vilar's Manipulated Man discusses a lot of this, but even she slights the "marital imperative" most women feel even today. The problem goes a lot deeper than even she thinks. Also, a lot of men slough off too, which to the wife excuses her own sloughing off. It's often a downward spiral in the marriage. Even if it lasts, it is not a good situation. And it often ends in "divorce by affair." The crux of the matter seems to be that we humans prefer illusions, even DElusions. to reality. This is true in virtually all spheres of life. And popular culture and the conventional wisdom really exist only to "keep the con on," because facing reality is too painful an alternative, even if facing reality would actually help avoid the problems we refuse to face. THANK YOU for that posting!

David Ronin

The smaller and simpler the wedding, the more likely the relationship will last.

Eric Linden


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