Mushoku Tensei Episode 23
Added 2024-06-26 17:27:52 +0000 UTCComments
Don't forget their two handmaidens lol which they basically threw into their husband's bed
Joshua Gilbert
2024-07-16 16:47:58 +0000 UTCTraditionally it doesn't work that way because traditionally it was the man who brought home the bacon, so to speak. Women having more than one husband is a real rarity historically. You can call it sexism, but frankly that attitude is a luxury from a historical perspective. The real world is brutal, and western people are sheltered from the true brutality of the world. Civilization is a safety net, and frankly a facade. People living closer to minimal survival conditions are too concerned with day to day survival to worry about things like luxuries and entitlements. In such cultures the strong and wealthy men could follow their instincts to ensure genetic survival. Women were extremely rarely afforded the opportunity to act similarly.
James Yancy
2024-07-02 02:08:13 +0000 UTCBecause he is not Ash Catchem collecting pokemon. He is in the relationship as one of the elements himself.
TitanMachine
2024-07-01 21:15:53 +0000 UTCOh duh!!!
Wes And Steph
2024-07-01 20:48:42 +0000 UTCYeah, I've been a part of some poly relationships, and they can work, but they need consistent open communication. The core problem here is that Sylphy didn't get to have her say. She's alluded to openness, but hasn't outright agreed to this specific situation. That's a big big problem.
PearseNation
2024-06-30 01:42:37 +0000 UTCPersonally, I don't see any problem with polygamy. But yes, if a man takes a second wife, then he must be prepared that his wife will one day take a second husband. Otherwise it's sexism.
TooKi58
2024-06-28 19:57:01 +0000 UTCyou are naive to think that Rudy can stay depressed and useless and the party will make it back home. the party lost Paul the main damege dealer. they need Rudy to make it back home, Rudy was dying , he was not eating and was shutting himself off. he needed help and Roxy did what she did.they both were very selfish, it is on both of them
jan riha
2024-06-27 17:52:09 +0000 UTCThe lack of context provided from the novel makes this look more egregious than it was, but what Roxy did was still a morally questionable move. That being said, I did think it was weird that part of the solution to Rudeus’s depression was to sleep with Roxy? I get being an emotional support system in the absence of his wife but the sex seemed kinda unnecessary to me. It had been awhile since I read the novel so there could have been a reason for this but I don’t remember.
Crimson
2024-06-27 16:04:06 +0000 UTCall in all i think yall had a lot of good ideas and opinions based on the information you were provided, i do hope youll read the things i wrote because id love to hear if your opinions would change given more context to the events of the story. your "thats it?" at the end of the episode really drives home WHY this episode lacks so much content, its already dense as hell, they could only fit so much into it, the whole episode feels like it just flies by because of it and they didnt even include the intro just to have more time for story stuff. I do genuinely think that this episode was good, it just wasnt the best adaptation of the source material, but it does effectively get the major plot points across in a way the will set up all the events to come which means they did the best they could with the 20 minutes they had to do it
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:43:14 +0000 UTChistorically, about what steph said about the wife bringing home a second lover entirely relies on the cultures respect towards women and their autonomy, so historically in most places, no, women wouldnt bring home a second husband because a wife was something you could buy from her father, but in the world of mushoku tensei it doesnt REALLY seem like women are treated particularly poorly? but i do still think the societal norm is that a man pursues a woman, not the other way around in most cases
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:38:42 +0000 UTCwes is definitely on the right track with the "we are looking at this from the perspective of modern day american societal norms" and not from the point of view of someone who has only ever lived in a world where polygamy is the norm
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:35:22 +0000 UTCfrom roxys perspective, she basically forced herself on him, which is why she is so readily accepting blame, so that, and because polygamy is normal, is why i think roxy would still want to be with him, because she sees his cheating as less something bad rudy did and more something bad she did to rudy
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:33:11 +0000 UTCi think the "being a scumbag would be better than having regrets" is just a weird translation and more what he meant was "saying this makes me a total scumbag, but i still need to make my feelings about this situation clear, or i will surely end up having regrets either way"
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:30:32 +0000 UTCon the note of eris: in the novels there are constantly chapters explaining what shes doing from the moment she left to the moment she eventually returns, but basically just remember she exists and she still loves rudy throughout all of this. I dont consider this to be a spoiler at all because like i said you check up on her all the time in the novels its just not shown in the anime for the sake of time, i think they will eventually make that its own OVA or movie, which is why i wont be specific about anything shes up to, just letting yall know shes around still and hasnt been forgotten about and that she hasnt forgotten rudy
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:26:15 +0000 UTCremember what paul said before he died? he was trying to explain to rudy, using his swords, that, while he loved them differently, he loved them the same amount, they each had separate places in his life both equally deserving of love and thats what he wanted to tell rudy
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:21:37 +0000 UTCalso think back to the way lilia and zenith behaved when rudy asked for tuition money, they were both kicking him under the table somewhat playfully as a way to show that they were both equally his wife, lilia just remained a maid because it was simply her job, and a required part of keeping the house/homestead functioning. Lilia would act like a maid regardless of who she ended up with because thats just who she is and what she knows, just like how aisha preferred to take the role of maid instead of just being the little sister that rudy would support. I understand why youd think lilia was a sort of secondary wife to paul based on the info presented in the anime, but just know that in reality they were both equally his wife and equally loved
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:19:59 +0000 UTCthe relationship between paul, lilia, and zenith, for the most part, was simply a happy one, it was just the initial break of the promise that caused the heartache, but i think elinalise's point was that the end result of this situation could still work positively for all involved, it just doesnt mean that the manner in which it came about wasnt still really shitty of both roxy and rudy
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:16:00 +0000 UTCRudy doesn’t have FaceTime to actually ask the wife first here. Here he is set up to discuss his feelings with Roxy and vice versa and this conversation is always fulfilled with having Sylphiette’s permission which both parties have in mind and put it straight as well. As someone who also doesn’t support polygamy, I get your views but at the same time, you were judging Rudy or a Male in polygamy even before we reached to the part where they talk about asking the first wife for approval, fact still remains that she is not with them. And yes, I completely agree Rudy shouldn’t have slept with Roxy here or at the very least tell her that he’s married, him not telling at the same time not knowing if Roxy knew about his relationship is the only thing that bothers me in this world setting where polygamy is allowed. Plus, I feel Rudy will have more than 5-6 wives at the end of this show that includes Princess Ariel, Eris, One or both of the Beast ladies at the uni, Nanahoshi, the adventurer girl etc so there’s that hahaha. But they should keep it to 3 imo. Also, Rudy’s trauma being solved in a peaceful house w Sylph to me seems unlikely. He needed talk from people who saw the horror alongside Rudy. And Roxy has been Rudy’s trauma medicine for a long time, don’t forget blud used to worship Roxy’s undergarments just a year ago and even before, kept it in the pocket and held onto it. Many times when he’s depressed in his mind he seeks Roxy’s advice. Roxy also is the first person to break Rudy’s trauma of not leaving his home premises back when he was a kid. So in this case, Roxy was the best person to help her, I just don’t think it really needed to be sexual.
Md Sheam Bin Sayhid
2024-06-27 13:10:35 +0000 UTCif the anime had the context of just HOW depressed rudy was, and how long he had been like that, youd know that it could not have waited til he was home, because he simply never would have left his room, and had a decent chance of simply starving himself to death
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:10:27 +0000 UTCsylphys stance on it from before all this happened was that she would definitely feel a little sad and like she failed as a wife at first, but that ultimately, she would welcome his second wife into their family as long as it was clear that it was genuine love and not just him sleeping around
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:07:34 +0000 UTCRoxy's "she isnt here now" wasnt so much the stereotypical excuse for cheating, it was "rudy needs this, i wish his wife were here to help him because i cant bear to see him like this, but i need to do something"
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:05:43 +0000 UTCin the case of both paul, lilia, and zenith, and Rudy, roxy, and sylphy, it was cheating because both paul and rudy made a promise to remain faithful to their first wives, and because they did it without discussion
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:03:34 +0000 UTCeven from rudys perspective he cheated on his wife, that was not lost on him, he knew he fucked up
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:02:11 +0000 UTCim commenting these all live as i watch the reaction btw but yes, i also agree with roxys actions in a very.. pragmatic sense, rudy wouldnt have been able to come out of it on his own, despite what elinalise and geese were saying, but even with what happened i dont think elinalise REALLY disagreed with what roxy had done, she just originally didnt think it was needed, but she understood why roxy did it
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 13:00:56 +0000 UTCRudy does/did feel guilty, but you are also right that he just feels so numb it didnt hit him quite as much
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 12:55:06 +0000 UTCsorry for all the comments, to me, this is a good episode, just a bad adaptation because it basically assassinates roxys character by not including all this context. they did make one good change from the source material, though, IMO, in the LNs elinalise tells roxy to lie about being pregnant to get rudy to marry her, or at least entertain the idea, which was REALLY shitty by both elinalise and roxy to do that so im glad they changed it to being just an open conversation about the whole situation instead
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 12:50:47 +0000 UTCRoxys whole idea wasnt really to become his wife, she knew that wasnt really a possibility to her it was more "i have to do a bad thing to save the one i love, even if it might just be selfish of me" she didnt do it thinking they would end up together it was supposed to be, at least on rudys end, kinda transactional
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 12:48:33 +0000 UTCalso IIRC he didnt realize roxy felt this way until she made a move on him, had he known he would have told her, he was simply oblivious
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 12:45:39 +0000 UTCit came up a few times before he goes to beggaritt where sylphy tells him she would be okay with him taking a second wife, but in all instances rudy refuted her statement and promises to only love her, so the main issue was that he broke that promise, even if he was sorta emotionally manipulated into it, and the fact that it all happened behind her back
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 12:44:47 +0000 UTCrudy also doesnt like how it went down, even he understood that while polygamy is normal in that world, he broke the promise to sylphy that he'd only love her (even if sylphy had said several times up until this point that she would understand if he took a second wife)
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 12:43:03 +0000 UTCin the LNs what roxy did was never really framed as an okay thing to do, it was honest about the fact that, even though her intentions were good, she knowingly slept with him when she knew he was married, and took advantage of how he was feeling to do so. But i will also say that their relationship is not based on lust, there was more character growth between the two that was skipped over before all this happened, and they both do GENUINELY love each other
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 12:41:40 +0000 UTCboth lives combined rudy and roxy are basically the same age
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 12:36:59 +0000 UTCSO just some minor clarification from the LNs, rudy had been depressed for over a month, and had stopped eating, people (including roxy) tried many different things to help him, but none of it worked, elinalise and geese assumed hed get better on his own in time, but also mentioned that sleeping with someone would probably help, they did NOT tell roxy to sleep with him, but the idea was put in her head by that conversation. What roxy did was still shitty, but it was a last ditch effort to help rudy, which i think is important to note so she doesnt seem like a completely terrible person. Also in the LNs rudy basically reveals to roxy he is reincarnated by telling his story as if it were just a story he knew, but i always believed roxy understood he was talking about himself, i just thought it was interesting and should be noted
Aphelion Audio
2024-06-27 12:31:08 +0000 UTCLove the reactions to this show
Account Name
2024-06-27 08:50:04 +0000 UTCLiar Liar, Pants on Fire. The only thing I can see here is that you not being a LN Reader. 🙃
Tatsuke44
2024-06-27 05:43:09 +0000 UTCI would watch an anime adaptation of the story of Jacob, Leah and Rachel. Would be an interesting harem/polygamy plot
kinetic98
2024-06-27 05:42:07 +0000 UTCSo... its not lust to sleep with someone if you would die for them??? Both can be true. She wanted some Rudy, and she wanted to help Rudy.
TitanMachine
2024-06-27 04:43:54 +0000 UTCYup, all four have the right hair color and each prefer their matching element. Rudy is known as Quagmire due to his signature earth ability to create one, roxy is king water mage, sylph favors wind magic, and eris is only shown using fire magic. In the end it always comes back to Avatar and mastering all four elements lol
Billbob
2024-06-27 03:39:01 +0000 UTCHonestly, as a reader I'm perfectly satisfied with how they handled this episode. Sure they left out stuff but they made it clear that Rudy definitely cheated and everything around this event was really complex emotionally and morally. Roxy does hold more blame imo, especially with the extra LN details but regardless it was just messy all around. I just disagree a bit with Wes's thought that Rudy could have waited until getting home to sort out his trauma. We saw him give up on life during the first fight with Sara and team during his post-Eris episode despite definitely being capable of handling it, and Begaritt travels was so much more deadly than the northern lands so imo he probably would have died during that month long travel back if he stayed extra depresso
Billbob
2024-06-27 03:13:58 +0000 UTCWell on another note that was skipped in the LN is that after Rudy was able to get some clarity after he slept with Roxy, he asked roxy that weird question of "what should I do now?" In the LN's He told Roxy a "story" about a man who died and was reborn into another world. So Rudy prefaced it that it was a "make believe story" to Roxy but all Rudy really wanted was for someone to hear his story of his passed life and how he got a second chance. Roxy listened intently and asked some questions and THEN Rudy asked her "what this man should do?" after said "man" lost his parent again. That's when Roxy answered by saying and I quote from the LN: "All he can do is cherish the family in front of him... Even Paul would have wished for you to do the same, Rudy... Please look to the future. Everyone is waiting for you." End quote. He thought her answer was a bit cliche, but those words made Rudy feel as if a weight has been lifted. So, some context around that scene.
Daniel Huitron
2024-06-27 02:12:04 +0000 UTCQuagmire
Math Rick
2024-06-27 01:44:27 +0000 UTCRudy died at 34 he's 16 now. Roxy was said to be 44 by her parents when Rudy met them he was 10 years at that time. Do the math they are both 50
DocGreen
2024-06-27 01:10:56 +0000 UTCI love U guys so much, I stay praying for yall. But on another note the next episode should be really fun, full with sad but heart warming FAMILY moments. Goosebumps I guarantee, I know I cried.
Perry-amos Hepburn
2024-06-27 01:06:31 +0000 UTCyall are getting too confused about what lust and love is. I am sure both wives would die for rudy. This isn't just some fling. Rudy would die for either one too. "All is fair in Love and War", so I dont blame roxy for what she did.
Cain Olivares
2024-06-27 01:05:50 +0000 UTCI thought Roxy was in her early 40's at this point
Math Rick
2024-06-27 00:22:19 +0000 UTCNgl I hate this episode so much
Math Rick
2024-06-27 00:19:11 +0000 UTCAs a Muslim, all I can say is: How bad did the Bible mess up the prophets' stories????
Haze Falon
2024-06-26 23:02:32 +0000 UTCAlso like to elinalise prioritized Roxy's happiness over sylphys monogamous marriage because she spent way more time with Roxy than sylphy and knows the exact type of man she is looking for. They touched on it in season 1 and it's explored more in the novels. She also doesn't want Roxy to end up with someone who may appear good but treat her horribly. I think she sees a lot of her pre curse self in Roxy personally
DocGreen
2024-06-26 21:43:00 +0000 UTCWhen doing a visual adaptation you don't need everything spelled out for you. Just by looking at Rudy's face and outfit you can tell he hasn't eaten or changed in weeks. The only thing the anime skipped that mattered to me was elinalise refusal to sleep with him and Roxy not wanting her to sleep with him either
DocGreen
2024-06-26 21:36:54 +0000 UTCIf it was at all rape it cant be in anyway his fault. You aren't responsible for when an unfortunate even out of your control happens to you. Roxy did not rape him or manipulate him. She took advantage of him that is all. Its no different than Lilia taking advantage of Paul not having sex with zenith because she was pregnant first.
DocGreen
2024-06-26 21:31:19 +0000 UTCyes and they even quote the bible for polygamy saying it's not great but i mean yeah the bible one of the book about a religion that say be monogamous and polygamy is bad for sure they doesn't write good story and good thing about people being in polygamy relationship and even compare to our world woman or man is hard to do since we have been learn to be monogamous because of the religion and it's a thing that stayed even when people want to take a different path it's not easy unless you live in a country know to have this type of relationship and if so it's easy your culture and religion but besied that even if you want thing are still gonna clash sometime in your mind even with just yourself because of that culture and rules and way of thinking people have learned to not be confortable with that again sorry for my english not my first language
Wolfange
2024-06-26 20:32:33 +0000 UTC@sankro yes exactly
Wolfange
2024-06-26 19:47:43 +0000 UTCIn the light novel, there's no ambiguity whatsoever about Rudy's 100% consent. He's even quite "bestial" with her. There's not an ounce of rape here, so the debate is pointless. What's more, it's absolutely ridiculous to always want to put human complexity into simplified boxes, like wanting to put a triangle into a square. And when it comes to sexuality, the hypocrisy and incoherent logic are just too crazy.
GTB
2024-06-26 19:44:22 +0000 UTCYeah. It adds a lot more complication. Jealousy between wives is almost inevitable unless they are very good friends. That jealousy will also reflect back on their relationship with Rudy as he tries to keep both happy. Not sure if this story will go into those sort of complications though.
Keith Merrington
2024-06-26 19:33:03 +0000 UTCRudy is earth. Theres your 4
TitanMachine
2024-06-26 19:31:04 +0000 UTCHonestly, given his state, I don't think Sylphy would have minded if Roxy just had sex with him to help him heal. What will really hurt her is when she finds out that Rudy also wants to marry Roxy. Even if that's an accepted thing in their society, it's gotta hurt to be told that he wants more than just her alone.
Keith Merrington
2024-06-26 19:29:47 +0000 UTCIts interesting how in this series, more oftan than not, bad decisions are made. Its refreshing to see a history thats not all black and white. Like, Roxy really took advantage of the situation. Thats a fact. Did it help Rudy? Yes it did, but she had intentions there. Well, at least its Sylphy thats home waiting. If it was Eris, it would be a bloodbath hahahaha.
Luiz Henrique Wrubleski
2024-06-26 19:29:42 +0000 UTCGood innit? Great that the characters in this anime are not just paper thin stereotypes. Roxy took advantage of Rudy when he was at his most vulnerable - ostensibly to help him recover, but mainly because she just wanted to. Rudy must know that his relationship with Sylphy will never be quite the same again and that, at least for a short while, his wanting to marry Roxy will hurt Sylphy. But he wants what he wants and so tries to justify it by convincing himself that he'll make them both happy. Can't wait to see Sylphy's reaction. Imagine if she says 'No'. Imagine if she says "Yes, but by the way, while you were gone I met this other guy and I'd like to hook up with him too". LOL! Probably not going to be that complicated though.
Keith Merrington
2024-06-26 19:23:50 +0000 UTCI wanted to summarise some of the skipped content: .Rudy hadn’t left his room much less eaten in several days, his condition was much worn than what we saw .Elinalise brought up the idea that Rudy should sleep with a woman to get him better but also clarified she couldn’t do it and that said woman should be have a bond with Rudy. .After the act like we saw in the episode Rudy did not plan on marrying Roxy, but Elinalise thought that would be too sad for Roxy so she lied and told Rudy that Roxy was pregnant during the journey so Rudy decided to take responsibility.
sese hang
2024-06-26 19:16:09 +0000 UTCFrom what I've seen a lot of people believe that since hes in a weakened or compromised mental state, she's taking advantage of him, hence rape. I myself dont really know technicalities behind what should be defined as it or not. In my opinion they both consented in the moment and afterwards they're both still fine with it, as Wolfange said, so it's fine. Morally Roxy is in the wrong, but that's what so great with this series. Having grey characters that aren't just good or evil, just look at Paul as an example.
sankro
2024-06-26 18:54:51 +0000 UTCExcept that's not what happened in the LN. You are describing what happened in the anime. He pulled her back, he pushed her down. So please don't claim to be a LN reader if you don't even remember how it happened in the LN.
Aycee
2024-06-26 18:53:48 +0000 UTCI pretty much agree with everything you said, all this situation is a mess. But that's why I love mushoku tensei as always it doesn't shy away from controversial topics. One thing I have to say : trust the author when it come to character writting, I don't think you will be disappointed in the long run.
Metatempo
2024-06-26 18:50:59 +0000 UTCBoth Rudy and Roxy are 50 if you include his past life
DocGreen
2024-06-26 18:41:10 +0000 UTCand that why with the zoom shot of the hands seeing rudy grasping her hand too make it understand he is willing too and "pinned" she just sit and her waist with her little tiny body he is sure pinned down and forced i always love people speaking for a character or another person like the character or person should think that way, should react that way feel about the situation that way this situation is this and that but at the end rudeus never stop her nor say he has been forced to do anything or feel abused or raped or anything he si fine with that and since you point the ln he still initate it with her from comment youtube to patreon to twitter i love these person saying mushoku tensei is rape and pedophilia and cheating and it promote that
Wolfange
2024-06-26 18:40:21 +0000 UTCNo it wasn't. It was Roxy who took it upon herself to sleep with Rudy. Originally they all wanted elinalise to do it even Roxy. When she refused elinalise suggested Roxy should do it not thinking she actually would. That's why she was surprised when she saw him come out of tge room
DocGreen
2024-06-26 18:39:26 +0000 UTCOh yeah also while Elinalise was convincing rudy to marry roxy in LN she told him him roxy hasn't had her period for two months so he felt more compelled to marry her
Harsh Kumar
2024-06-26 18:27:35 +0000 UTCYeah they completely skipped over it no build up to it at all(I honestly don't remember how long he was like that but it was multiple weeks I think only after that roxy did that) correct me if I'm wrong I don't remember the amount of time
Harsh Kumar
2024-06-26 18:25:06 +0000 UTCBut if you're a LN reader shouldn't you know that it was Rudy that pulled Roxy back after she was leaving? (not trying to fight against your statement btw)
sankro
2024-06-26 18:24:31 +0000 UTCI agree with you guys mostly. The biggest issue is how he promised Sylphie to stay faithful and then "slipped" without having an honest talk beforehand. I think polygamous relationships can work but I am sure they need a LOT more effort and open communication to work out in the end.
Westerschwelle
2024-06-26 18:23:41 +0000 UTCIf you consider putting someone in a compromised mental state(alcohol, drugs etc.) then taking advantage of them as rape, then what roxy did was 100% rape. She knew he was not capable of making sound decisions, and took advantage of that. There are of course some factors that partially excuse her, but what she did was rape all the same. This also doesn't excuse him from all responsibility, as he, with his actions down the line, still cheated on his wife, and risked fracturing a family while a newborn. Also btw I miss pirate wes, bring him back!!
The Egg Unhatching
2024-06-26 18:23:38 +0000 UTC"Someone needs to get that tunic off of him, he can't keep wearing that." Alright, bet
Bobstah
2024-06-26 18:22:54 +0000 UTCGreat to see reactors being able to give their view on a situation but also be able to see it from the characters perspective. You did bring up the argument that they could've brought Rudy home and fixed him, but this was impossible. Rudy in a capable state was essential for the journey back. To get to the teleporter there's a massive sandstorm "barrier" which only Rudy could remove. Also not having Paul in the party and having to transport Lilia and Zenith safely hindered their travelling alot, making their only option without Rudys help the long way back, which would most likely lead to Rudy dying of thirst/malnutrition before arriving home. Also Zenith is in the millis religion, which is why Paul cheating was "technically" worse than what Rudy did now.
sankro
2024-06-26 18:20:43 +0000 UTCThe way the studio keeps cutting the mental struggle of Rudy and Roxy's POV is getting on my nerves
Zak
2024-06-26 18:14:04 +0000 UTCThey cut out a lot of context from the novels especially how bad rudeus was. He could not make the journey back and he probably would have died if they tried.
infernape 4 ever
2024-06-26 18:06:53 +0000 UTC"rudeus should have tell her way before he is married" yeah but no i mean i can't judge him to not think about that, being the priority to tell, roxy was missing he saved her she recover and learn from the book because the party wanted to go in quickly, the priority on his mind was save zenith keep everyone safe rest when you can stay focus on the danger and think about what happened the day before or hours before in the labyrinth and what to do next even inb the town with roxy he was still thinking about all that with what gear to boy and ressource to have to success from the hint with the book said, and then paul is dead zenith have her problem with the memory he is depressed in grief starting to collasp thinking he hasn't change (that is false) but he relapse and then roxy start the initative with all that and he just let himself go with the flow without thinking about anything else
Wolfange
2024-06-26 18:03:04 +0000 UTCThere were some important contexts that were cut out from the novel: It was Elinalise who encouraged Roxy to sleep with Rudy because she knew Rudy well and this was a way to keep him out of his depression Edit: I guess “encourage” is not really accurate for what it was, I’ll put the content from the light novel below so you guys can interpret it yourself Rudeus hadn’t eaten since the day it happened. Even when those around him prompted him to try, he just said, “Sure,” but showed no signs of following through. He did seem to be doing the minimum of at least drinking water, but he was growing more gaunt by the day. His eyes were sunken and his cheeks had grown hollow. He looked like he had the shadow of death on his face. If left to his own devices, it wouldn’t be surprising if he actually joined Paul. Everyone present thought as much. After a pause, Roxy pressed on. “I’d like to do something to try to cheer him up.” Geese’s gaze traveled to Elinalise. “Didn’t you always say it was important to ‘get lucky’ at times like these?” “I can’t help him with ‘getting lucky,’” she replied instantly. Roxy was the only one who didn’t understand what they were talking about. “What is it you can’t do?” “…” Geese and Talhand exchanged looks and pursed their lips. Roxy furrowed her brows, suspicious. “Miss Elinalise, do you have some kind of plan?” A pause. “No, I don’t.” The elf maintained her poker face. “Well, how should I put it?” Geese scratched at his cheek while Talhand tilted his drink back in disinterest. “Hm, uh… Well, in times like these, it’s best to just enjoy yourself to the fullest and try to forget.” “Enjoy yourself?” Roxy echoed back, confused. “Men are straightforward. Give them some alcohol, a woman to bed, and they’ll get that rush of joy from being alive. Bring a little bit of energy back to them. I mean, yeah, it’s not going to return them to how they were, but still.” “Ah…! Oh, all right, I get it now.” Roxy finally understood what he was saying. And more importantly, what he was trying to get Elinalise to do. “W-well, I guess you’re right, that’s just how men are! Yeah! Yeah…” Her cheeks flushed red and her gaze floated to her lap. Men liked to bed women when they were depressed. She felt sure she’d heard that story once before. It was true for mercenaries in particular, who liked to pay for women’s services before and after battle, in order to distract themselves from their own fear. After completing a mission where their life had been on the line, many men visited the brothels. But when Roxy thought of Rudeus and Elinalise together, a dark cloud hung over her heart. “Elinalise.” Geese turned toward her. “You’ve always said—for as long as I can remember—that you’re good at consolin’ men with wounded hearts.” “I have.” Roxy began to think. It was true that Elinalise had a talent for that type of thing. She had daily relations with an undeterminable number of men, and Roxy had heard she was incredibly skilled at what she did. Surely it was possible for a woman with that level of experience to get Rudeus back on his feet again. The thought made her gloomy, but what else could they do? “How unusual. Normally you’d be all over someone in the kinda state Boss is in right now.” Roxy couldn’t stand seeing Rudeus the way he was right now. Elinalise felt the same—she wanted to help him, to console him. But she also knew what would happen once they returned home if she succumbed and used his broken heart as an excuse to go to bed with him. She would be betraying Cliff, betraying Sylphie. Even Rudeus wouldn’t be able to cope with that. So Elinalise said as much. “Even I have people that I can’t bed.” “Why not Rudy?” Roxy’s lips hardened. She fixed the other woman with a glare. “You know how much he’s suffering.” “Because…” Elinalise started to say, but then remembered. Roxy didn’t know yet. “Because the person he married—his wife—is my granddaughter.” “Huh?!” The cup dropped from Roxy’s hand, its contents spilling everywhere before it rolled off the table and hit the floor with a dry clunk. “What? Rudy’s married?” “Yes, he is. And his child will be born soon.” “O-oh, so it’s true… W-well, I mean, of course it is. Rudy’s that age already…” Roxy couldn’t fully mask how shaken she was as she bent down to retrieve the fallen tankard. She brought it to her lips without thinking before she remembered she’d spilled it all, and ordered another. “Um, I’d like the strongest alcohol you have.” Her eyes swiveled as she folded her arms over her chest. Marriage. That’s right, even Rudeus could get married. Yeah. It was normal. At least, that was what she tried to tell herself. Then Roxy remembered how she’d acted in the labyrinth, and she gritted her teeth. She’d made advances on him, thinking he was single. Rudeus had been receptive on a level she’d never experienced before, but perhaps the only reason he hadn’t rejected her outright was because she was an acquaintance. From the sidelines, it must have looked hysterical—the most entertaining buffoonery. Roxy wanted to scream at them, “Why didn’t anyone tell me?!” But the complaint remained lodged in her throat. Anyway, her feelings weren’t what mattered right now. “S-still, even if he is married, this is an emergency. Couldn’t you both be forgiven for doing it just once?” Roxy didn’t even understand the words coming out of her mouth. She just felt strongly that they had to do something to pick Rudeus back up. “Perhaps, but I can’t be the one to do it,” Elinalise said woefully. Roxy couldn’t understand the emotion in the elf’s voice, or the frustration visible on her face. “Sorry for the wait,” a server cut in. “Oh, thank you.” Conveniently, her drink arrived. Roxy knocked it back and swallowed the whole thing down. It burned, passing down her parched throat and spreading through her body like a wildfire. It probably tasted particularly delicious to her right now because her body was craving alcohol. “Besides, Rudeus and I have already…” Elinalise paused just then, pursing her lips. “Well, even though I can’t help, Geese can drag him along to a brothel, right?” “Not so sure about that,” said Geese, doubtful. “You really think Rudeus will cheer up havin’ sex with some girl he doesn’t know?” “Well, what he needs right now is to be able to lean on someone he trusts,” said Elinalise. “So, Lilia?” She shot a glare at Geese. “This is exactly—” “Okay, okay, I get it!” He held his hands up in surrender. “Don’t get so pissy.” Elinalise’s feelings about the matter were complicated. She didn’t want to intrude on his marriage to Sylphie, but she did want to help Rudeus. If she bedded him, she could get him back on his feet. Elinalise was confident about that—this wasn’t the first or even second time she’d been in a situation like this, where she’d helped a man heal the wounds in his heart. But she also couldn’t help but think that to do so now would be a disastrous choice she could never take back. She was conflicted. Normally, she didn’t mind being the one to get her hands dirty. Elinalise had played that role numerous times. But her desire to not betray Cliff got in the way this time. She simply couldn’t. “…” Silence hung in the air. Only the quiet sounds of people downing their drinks lingered. None among their motley crew dared speak up. The air was as stale as a funeral.
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2024-06-26 18:01:32 +0000 UTCAh but you should also understand A) he was leaving and was pulled back. B) Roxy pinned him down then forced kissed him. And C) took advantage of his feelings and emotions in the moment, which means any consent he could have given isn’t recognized by the law. Oh also D) enjoying rape is still rape
Liam
2024-06-26 18:00:16 +0000 UTCif you were really a ln reader you know it's not since rudy took initiative too after she make him understand what she wanted to do
Wolfange
2024-06-26 17:57:14 +0000 UTCHey, I mean I was feeling the same at first as a LN reader but after a second watch and analysing the scenes like an anime only, in no way the episode was bad, in fact some of the changes are actually quite good. The only point where I'm still a bit mad is that they failed (kinda) to show how bad rudeus was physically and mentaly. It was by far his worst depression yet and we don't really feel that.
Metatempo
2024-06-26 17:53:04 +0000 UTCRudeus and Roxy are the same age if you add his past life.
infernape 4 ever
2024-06-26 17:48:09 +0000 UTCCan't wait for people defending this shit in the comments. Bro straight up cheated on his pregnant wife
Dale Tucker
2024-06-26 17:47:18 +0000 UTCThere were way too many time jumps also roxy new he was married before she came in his room in the first scene
Harsh Kumar
2024-06-26 17:42:28 +0000 UTCWell this was very poorly taken from the light novel as in the very big exclusions and sequencing it didn't feel correct in any way or form(first ep that I have felt was not correctly adapted at all)
Harsh Kumar
2024-06-26 17:36:33 +0000 UTCI’ve always hated Roxy. Now, people should stop saying she’s the best girl cause what she did is rape. (LN reader here btw)
Liam
2024-06-26 17:34:20 +0000 UTC
