Enneagram Six Draft
Added 2024-08-24 05:24:44 +0000 UTCMy brain cells have been on strike lately. How y'all doing?
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This. Is. Exactly what I needed to hear. I’ve fallen so prone the writing of stories based on vibes alone trap and you have helped my climb out of that hole. I never quite realized just how six coded my story was until this analysis. Thank you so much!! And never stop cooking the best writing content on youtube
TheskinnyOne 1
2024-08-28 00:31:51 +0000 UTCdespite my first instinct, i can totally see the 6 picture— his oversimplified view of the criminal “element”, me vs them mentality caused by the fear he admits to in act 2. that being said, i can’t look at him w/o seeing his 1-ness, his arc so woven with questioning the ethics of his mission, i feel calling him a 6 would be separating him from the movie’s overarching stuff. i also question if his fear is really the thing driving him, since his calling to change gotham isn’t rooted in protecting himself or the civilians from the bad thing, instead an anger focused at the criminals for their sins ? ig you could say. his survival instinct takes a backseat, he takes explosions & electricity w/o a second thought, impulse. but i would love to hear yours & local’s thoughts, i’m super new to this & it def cooked my brain a little 🤕
princessofhorror
2024-08-27 23:17:58 +0000 UTCthe delineate definition search is so real
aciinonyx
2024-08-27 20:55:27 +0000 UTCWould a 6 also be the type to go catastrophic anytime instability is hinted at? e.g. There's a hint that one of their relationships has cracks in it so they distance/abandon the relationship.
Abi
2024-08-27 19:07:05 +0000 UTCOh ok. Well I’ve never done a 48 and I’m not super well versed in production in general. But speed usually comes from not caring - you need to “get to stupid faster.” Usually that looks like writing down all of the obvious solutions, and then forcing yourself to come up with wackier stuff. And the wackier stuff is always the good stuff.
LocalScriptMan
2024-08-27 16:51:09 +0000 UTCAs in what have you seen being the most effective game plan with spreading out the timing for writing shooting and editing, what methods have been the most useful for you to get a rushed script out, and is they’re anything new you’ve learned since the Pirate slasher video?
Blue J
2024-08-27 15:31:45 +0000 UTCWhat would I recommend in terms of what?
LocalScriptMan
2024-08-27 15:23:05 +0000 UTCLocal this is off topic but what would you recommend for a 48 hour film festival to someone who already has their crew and gear?
Blue J
2024-08-27 05:23:38 +0000 UTCSo it seems a betrayal arc is inevitable in 6 based arcs. Because no matter what a type 6 does, they're running that mental math through that filter of loyalty/faith in action as a given. So it comes to the question what could make them reconsider their objectives. With concern you'd have to introduce something they'd cherish early on in the story that ties into justifying their fixation. You might be onto something with this Enneagram approach.
Stuart Stone
2024-08-25 01:00:26 +0000 UTCThank you for this series. It turns the enneagram from Barnum Effect textwalls to something applicable and easy to grasp.
Mr. Murderbird, the Giant, Murdering Bird
2024-08-25 00:33:42 +0000 UTCStrictly speaking, the objective function of the model is to create an easy to grasp engine that drives character choice within story that is: 1) Somewhat reasonably based on observable evidence of how people formulate their core pathologies 2) Is flexible to the reality of both healthy and unhealthy expressions of those pathologies and therefore wide open to story arcs 3) Not overly cluttered with 27+ sub categories that require a map and a thread to find my way in and out The first criteria is met in the fact that people develop these pathologies through the MOST basic human learning function - pain avoidance. And the fact that humans perceive emotional pain just as acutely as physical pain does NOT get enough air time. For the same reason we learn NOT to grab a hot stick, we learn NOT to talk to somebody with an angry face - 'That way be pain'. I understand the statement, "Sixes act differently enough that I think a reasonable case can be made that those two coping strategies should be designated individually" but here I think you've sort of abandoned the concept of a pathology and let yourself wander back to the superficial pure behavioral definition. My point is that both behaviors actually stem from the same pathology. For example, imagine a trusted campaign staffer on some State Senate campaign who is a Rational Socializer (6). This means they find emotional safety in the power of the group and their place within in. But then one day another staffer leaks information about the candidate to the press, but the one who did is close friends with the Campaign manager. The embarrassed candidate demands action, the Campaign manager - rather than really look into it - takes the leaker's word for it and fires our Six. She is crushed. Devastated. Angry. She reaches out to the Candidate who refuses to listen or have anything to do with her. Online articles create rumors about her. Her Rational Socializer pathology can go many ways from here, but one possible way is for her now to obsess over the campaign and the Candidate - not as a person, but as a symbol of power. She will begin to leak real info and maybe start an anonymous smear campaign. Others begin to flock to her new Anonymous persona as she builds a new powerbase, claiming that all politicians are just like HIM. She has now taken the plunge from the Insider Six to the Outsider Six, but it's truly driven by the same pathology and writing that character and how she sees the Campaign and her newfound role becomes clear when I look through the lens of that pathology. That is why I use the model I do. Thank you for the wonderful content and this stimulating forum to discuss this stuff!
Ray
2024-08-24 21:26:43 +0000 UTCThis is an interesting model - it doesn’t go down very smoothly, so I’d hesitate to use it simply on those grounds, but it’s fun to chew on. As someone who already dislikes the enneagram symbol, I don’t need a perfect punnet square layout - it makes me cautious of over-rationalization. I think you can use words to arrange ideas into a lot of different models, but ultimately if a system doesn’t serve an objective function I’m not inclined to adopt it, and I’m kind of unclear on the “why” of all this. Sixes act differently enough that I think a reasonable case can be made that those two coping strategies should be designated individually. I think it’s okay and, in fact, better for these things to be messy
LocalScriptMan
2024-08-24 20:41:17 +0000 UTCMmmm carbs
LocalScriptMan
2024-08-24 20:29:55 +0000 UTCThis is true
LocalScriptMan
2024-08-24 20:29:48 +0000 UTCThis helped me realize my current story is VERY "6" coded. Almost to the point of caricature. Until this series of yours, I've only had my very brisk understanding of the 'grams, so I really appreciate you delving into these. Great content man.
Troy Walton
2024-08-24 20:07:04 +0000 UTCIf you want another idea for an idiosyncratic six presentation, look at Batman (in general, but especially in the Pattinson movie)
Fox Napier
2024-08-24 19:56:20 +0000 UTCFirst time I'm going to disagree with you Lucas on the type 6 - They are two expressions of the same Pathology. Pasting from a long form essay I've been working on... Fixation Type: The first side of the matrix describes what kind of signals people learned to trust to identify and navigate emotional danger and pain in their lives. We all do it. We walk a minefield of problems in our lives and they give us pain if we aren’t careful. How we know where to step is our fixation type. 1. External (Heart) – These people are using signals and feedback from others to regulate their sense of safety. They certainly have their own internal feelings and thoughts, but they trust that external signal MORE than others. 2. Internal (Gut) – These people trust their own internal feelings to guide them. They are certainly aware of other’s feelings (most of the time) and the rational fallout of actions, but their internal feelings tend to dominate. 3. Rational (Head) – These people don’t trust either their or other’s feelings as a barometer of safety. Instead they have decided on some course of action to keep them safe in the world and will likely stick to it. Expression Type: The second side of the matrix describes how each person expresses their needs. Despite the infinite variety of specific choices, like Fixations, there are three basic groupings of Expression we see again and again in the Enneagram. 1. Avoidant – These people choose paths that do everything they can to avoid dealing directly with emotional pain. They can go completely internal as the classic Rational Avoidant (5), or layer up with emotional strength and ‘take it’ like the Internal Avoidant (9), or even deflect into some narrow performative act that takes all eyes off any of their real problems like the External Avoidant (4). 2. Self/Task – These people take charge of doing whatever must be done to cope with the emotional pain. That doesn’t mean they are always doing anything healthy, but it does mean they are ‘ACTION’ oriented. This includes the Rational Tasker (7) who simply believes in doing ‘something’, or the Internal Tasker (8) who decides what needs to be done and attacks it with gusto, or the External Tasker (3) who simply does everything they can to show everyone it can be done. 3. Social/Other – These people cope with their pain through a connection to others rather than by themselves. This can be large groups or it can be individual connections. For example the Rational Socializer (6) sees safety in the power and authority of the group and their standing in it while the External Socializer (2) is protecting themselves by making others in the group happy while the Individual Socializer (1) recognizes the group as an extension of themselves and uses it at times as a buffer to protect themselves from direct assault. Avoidant Self Social External 4 3 2 Internal 9 8 1 Rational 5 7 6 [...] Rational Socializer (6): The Rational Socializer is focused on how being a part of a group grants emotional safety. They aren’t seeking any feedback mechanism, so they will choose from among the groups that align with their own conceptions of power and safety – whether that means financial, political, or emotional power. Rational Socializer stories can be very politically coded or very mean girl coded. The Rational Socializer is also focused on making sure the group is protected, and often will seek power within the group. This suggests arcs that follow the Rational Socializer learning to listen more to their Internal and External feedback systems. For example, a Rational Socializer who chooses to step away from a group when they realize it stands for negative ideologies despite how comfortable they are within the confines of the group. Alternatively, a Rational Socializer who struggles to find entrance to a group that provides protection can become fixated on either a real group that excluded them or a theoretical group they think has real power. This is how Rational Socializers, focused on the power of groups and their now lack of standing, become the radicalized conspiracy theorist as well.
Ray
2024-08-24 18:09:34 +0000 UTCNot sure if the audio just got cut off, but at 11:50 you say "together" when I assume you mean "altogether"
So
2024-08-24 14:43:24 +0000 UTCEnjoy your bread 😊
Rex Stringer
2024-08-24 05:39:04 +0000 UTC
