Box Peek June Update

There's a chance that you haven't yet discovered the Great Secret of Clip Placement for Dialogue, without which it is impossible to master the Ancient Art of Thai Ming: • in the wave edit window, set an anchor point in the next clip to be inserted / appended to the dialogue • run the transport over the preceding clips, listening hard with all your Thai Ming summoned, and hit stop at the point you want the anchor point of the new clip to hit • drop the new clip anywhere on the timeline, then (making sure the new clip is the only thing selected) use the fundamentally useful but little-vaunted "pickup clock" function to shift it to exactly the right place My hope that this will be new information to you, that it will thus accelerate and significantly joyfulise the Box Peek creation process, is considerably encouraged by the fact that you currently appear to be comping audio in a video editor. Much love from London. Let it cook.

Benjamin Rowlinson

No plan F allowed.

Daniel Askew

Let it cook until you're not enjoying it anymore. If it releases in 2021 I'll still show up.

Max Jahner

Hello Kyle Bosman! My name is Sean, I've enjoyed your work since your first ever video for Gametrailers. Please take your time and understand that people only want to watch what you're happy with, too. Don't rush or stress yourself. I write and perform for a living and have sometimes tried to write big projects that halfway through, I've struggled to finish because it's just so hard to imagine anyone giving a shit- but when something is good and creative and fun- people will! You will make people's lives happier with every Boxpeak you make- even if it doesn't go viral or whatever. I support you, and so many of these patrons do too. Best of luck with it.

See You When I Get There

Yu-Gi-Oh! is really popular though, and Yu-Gi-Oh! with paper could just as well become as popular. Better start production on real boxes to sell at Target :)

Yui

"But you know, I'm making Yu-Gi-Oh with paper." that made me laugh haha, thanks for the update bosman, best fo luck!!!

Chris

We love you Kyle. I can see the merit in staggering the episodes or just waiting till more are done. In the end I think you should make your choice based on what will make you look back on this in the best light. I'm sure that huge creatice projects are stressful no matter what but if putting it out piecemeal doesn't feel quite right then I am prepared to let it cook. L&r

Daniel Mogo Sanchez

Just to be clear, Sweet Justice has no involvement and in fact would probably be appalled by my methods. I just gain a greater appreciation for good audio when struggling through my own

Easy Allies

The first episode was really good. My two daughters (2 and 4 years old) loved it and ran around singing the theme song for a week afterwards. I would be very happy (and I am sure my daughters would be as well) if the rest of the episodes' quality was close to the first episode. However, this is your life and your show. If this is putting too much stress on you I would support your decision to do whatever you need to do for your health and mental well-being. Even if you just think its taking too much of your life and its not really stressing you I would not be mad. Whatever you choose to do with the show, I am not dropping my patreon pledge. I made the pledge when Easy Allies started because I really enjoyed most of what GT put out, not because of the promise of Box Peek.

Matt Jura

As someone who's helped fund the show, let it cook. Don't even enact plan B. I want it to have the best possible chance of becoming popular!

Let it cook, we must avoid plan B, try as much as you can to re-use the papercuts you already made, if the script is ready don't think just about episode 4 but also what kind of actions the characters will do in the next ones: say a character gets an eyepatch (don't ask why), if you're done with their current models just draw an eyepatch on them and do as many scenes as possible, so that you minimize time consumption, lower the ammount of work for the next episodes and get a cleaner environment. I know these are basic advices but it only goes to show how much I care for this project

Luca Alberti

Let it cook.

Yugioh on paper or not, this is a beautiful, unique piece of art. Take your time to fully realize your vision. We can wait.

Nimbus

Don't compromise on what you want the show to be because you're worried about us. I can guarantee if there are people giving you a hard time they are simply a vocal minority and don't understand how much work it requires to put together something like this. Most of us are in full support of you letting it cook. From what you've shown us so far I personally think it is a good enough show to take as long as you need it to. Thank you for keeping us in the know by the way! I find these behind the scenes looks super interesting :)

I definitely prefer Plan B to Plan F, for what it's worth.

iconmaster

Someone else suggested it above, but the idea of releasing 5 episodes and then maybe having a mid-season break seems like a good one, and I certainly like it more than Plan B or F to be honest with you. You could wait until you were nearly finished with episode 7 or 8, and then release one episode a week, for 5 weeks. Hopefully by the time those 5 episodes had ended, you would have a better idea how long it will take you to finish the season, and could adjust the length of the mid-season break accordingly. Like everyone else, I’m not really fussed about how long we have to wait. I’d rather you just be happy with the thing you’re making.

BeatenDownBrian

Kyle, do what you feel is the right thing for you. Don't worry about the Patrons. We'll still be here supporting you regardless. Please just make sure that you stay physically, mentally, and emotionally healthy. Ignore those who are being demanding and remember, nobody puts Bossy in a corner!

MizRacy

Hey Kyle. As a fellow artist, don’t let the pressure of releasing this show compromise your vision. We all want to see the best version of this show, regardless of how long it takes, so please don’t adopt a new, simpler style just to get it out faster. Let it cook. We all have faith in you.

Brian Denu

Thanks for the update Kyle! I want you to release Box Peek when YOU are happy with the quality. I will support you however long it takes.

LeeLore

Thanks for being so open and honest with us. Would really be a shame to see you change the animation style. Box peek looks incredible as it is. I want this series to be the best it can be and that's something I'm willing to wait for. Here's to a great July... L&R

Daniel Murray

Take your time

Dai Nguyen

Let it cook!

Let it cook

Hey Klye you might not read this as you need to focus on Box Peek :), but I would even suggest release it to Patreon fan as finished and if and when you finally finish maybe you can release the playlist to YouTube. That way the people who would love to see it will and the other can see it when it’s finished completely. Either way I trust your ability to make a good show. Don’t get down, we support your work, Love and respect Jonathan.

Jonathan C. George

Take my energy! Love & Respect

Mac

Kyle: please, under no circumstances, ever, compromise regarding production quality. Plan B would be fine with me, though. Alternatively, what about working with a mid-season break? You could finish the first half of the season and release the pertaining episodes weekly - then take a longer mid-season break, use the time to get most of the second half of the season done - and release it in another weekly rhythm a few months later. Could be a good compromise between allowing for solid weekly momentum and not pushing the actual start of the season too far out.

Camian

Just wanted to add my voice to the Plan A camp. Let it cook!

Alec Church

Dude. Take all the time you need and keep going with Plan A. If it takes two years, it takes two years. Give this show the best opportunity to be everything it can be. I understand that this being a crowd-funded project adds so much extra pressure to you, so of course, go with your gut, but I wanted to put it out there that while I love the pilot and I'm super stoked for the final product, I would prefer to watch them as close together as possible. Keep up the good work and do everything you can to keep those stress levels down. L&R

As much as I want Gundam Streams back ASAP, don't do Plan F.

MBUN

Take your time with the project. The thing with creative projects.. it is always like this, As we say "design never ends", what pushes us to finish projects usually is the deadlines (with the clients), also I enjoy the project crunch-time as it increases the progress and efficiency as long as you have a plans or in your case episodes you already wrote. Increasing the efficiency will help you meet the next deadline faster with each new episode you start working on as long as you are in the zone (not taking long breaks from the project). Don't compromise your vision and if you think you are a perfectionist try to overcome it in the right way. a point that may or may not help, many people like to focus on one kind of tasks, in your case you are the only one working on the project (writing,animating, editing..etc) which can be distracting for some and the longer the time between sessions or edits the less efficient it become. Instead, You can work on one kind of tasks (recording audio, animating, editing..etc) for multiple episodes at the same time instead of working on episode by episode basis. You already did 3 episodes so you may already have the right scope of work and experience to do multiple episodes. Good luck.

Mr_Cid

No Plan F

Garrett Kuenzi

Let it Cook! Please don't do Plan F, I'd rather wait way longer than have you sacrifice the animation.

I think that people are into Netflix these days so releasing it when it's done sounds good to me. They would just get mad about the wait in between anyway, and like you said it would be less popular. Only you can know if you want to do Plan F, personally I'm still fine with Plan A

VGJunky

Plan B sounds reasonable to me. Just sayin'! A lot of people saying they're fine with waiting for it, but if Kyle doesn't want to spend 2 years of his life on one project which was supposed to be modest in ambition, that's understandable.

I think people underestimate how long it takes to animate, even in a case like this where there is a lot of blending of techniques to slightly simplify the process. It is incredibly labor and time intensive and aside from the voice acting all the work is being done by one person in his spare time. Personally, I am totally fine with Box Peek taking as long as it needs, it is something extremely unique and I trust that, if nothing else, Box Peek will be an experience. So I say let it cook :)

Brittany Fuller

Understandable concerns, but don't sell yourself short by saying it's not worth a long production cycle. From what I understand, it's just you working on this project which is crazy for an animation like this (especially on top of other duties). That said, I'm sure there are some concessions you can make. Not saying go full on plan F but find the things you should pull back on and save that energy for scenes that really matter. And I know it can be hard since it's such a tightly packed show that has a great flow (from what we've seen in episode 1). This is just one take, there are a lot of good opinions in the comments here. From one artist to another, trust your gut here.

Hi Kyle :) Wanted to say that I hope you don't feel that you need to resort to plan F at any point. The animation for Box Peek is so incredibly unique and endearing, seeing that go would be a good shame. I was just rewatching episode 1 last night and the scene where Jordy's box transforms, the lid hits his head and his face changes...i don't know, it really puts awe in me, how you can do so much with just some paper. You give it so much life, and to see that go away would be really sad. Especially since you sound like that's something you really don't want to do if you don't have to. I don't think any of us want to see Box Peek if it's not as close to Your vision as possible, even if we don't get it til next year. At least, I won't. I don't mind waiting one bit. Even if it was 2 years ;) Yu-Gi-Oh with paper is pretty damn cool. So, yeah. Thank you for your updates- learning about how you do the audio was really interesting. Good luck with the upcoming episodes, we're all cheering for you and we know Box Peek will be great, and as everyone else has said- please let it cook :) <3

I think you knew b that we'd all say this Kyle... But just in case it's not clear- please, let it cook! It's amazing to see something like this come to life and to know the process/struggles... We are all so invested not in just seeing the show but having it be something you can look back on with pride. That's part of what I like about EZA, it's not all about "content", it's also about watching you guys become better at your crafts and expanding what your crafts even are! I love what I've seen from box peek already and if you believe that you're making it better then I am even more excited. tl;dr thank you for including us in this journey... Don't try to cut it short!

Rhodesiensensical

Seconded.

Let it cook. Bosman's intent! Don't feel like you have to put out something you're not happy with in favor of getting it done faster.

Kate Bishop

"Box Peek frankly isn't a good enough show to take two years to make" Kyle, Dude, you've gotta stop being so hard on yourself. You might not think it's "high art" but creating stuff takes time. We've all had a taste. It's great that you've given yourself a goal of having another episode done by the end of July but instead of forcing yourself to do that , why not just see how long it takes to make another one ? Then, if you look at that and go "oh that took like 7 weeks instead of 4 weeks so making more episodes will be similar". If you have to work away at this until the end of this calendar year and drop a binge level season early 2019 ? so be it. Don't go to plan F.

RJC

All i want to say Kyle is that "High Art" doesnt exist. And your passion project that takes influence from pokemon and yugioh is no less important than a high budget drama on HBO. There are moments and scenes from those older anime that are unbelievably creative as well as emotional. From the first episode of box peak im already in love with the direction you put into the world and I can already see some fun and awesome places the story and battles can go. Dont be too down on yourself. Box Peak is creative and interesting and you made it. Take your time and be proud is my only advice :)

I'm more than happy to wait longer for a finished product, Kyle :D

Stick to your vision! It might take more time and you might doubt yourself while you do it, but I know that you’ll be super proud of the end result once you’re finally done with it :)

Jeremy Pick

Please Kyle! I know you feel the pressure because it's patreon-funded! I know you're in the middle of the process riddled with doubts and fears, wondering if it's even any good! I know that! But please, please take you're time and don't rush it and don't make any compromises! You will regret it later! Think about that famous Miyamoto-quote "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad," Take your time you know we will be patient! Sending you all the LOVE <3!

Johannes Bretz

Let it cook! I'm not going anywhere!

Let it cook! Going with plan B or F will probably make it easier to complete the project, but it will ultimately stray away from the vision you initially started with. Your perspective is important as well. If you were to look back on your project, you wouldn't want to see it as a lesser version of what you had in mind and the original idea not coming to fruition. Be happy with what you make, and I bet you that everyone else will be excited with what you got!

Someone else suggested that you do a midseason finale of sorts. Get half the season done, release those episodes once a week like you planned but take that month off to give yourself some time to recooperate and focus on other things. Once that month is over I bet you will be energized and ready to get back to work on your project.

klastical

how about inserting a cliff-hanger and splitting it into two seasons?

David Warren

Keep it up Kyle its going to turn out awesome. I could tell just from the first time I saw the intro. Box Peek is worth the wait to make it right.

Blade Kasper

Yu-Gi-Oh is my jam, bruh, NO PLAN F, NO PLAN F

Thanks for the update. Try to ignore any feelings of guilt and all tbe naysayers. I and many others got your back and want to see this yu-gi-oh chapel of yours! 😎

umryan

This IS taking very long, to be honest, but I'd still like you to continue making it the way you have. It's just a shame that as a side effect you haven't been in Fiasconauts in ages, and there's been no Gundam building streams either.

Ville Ranto

Really enjoyed reading this. I'm sure you feel a lot of pressure, but add my vote to plan A. Not that this is a democracy. You're a benevolent Creator-Tyrant to whom I offer my firstfruits, and gladly. If you're like me, you'll kinda hate almost everything you publish. That said, I'm gonna enjoy what you're at least halfway happy with. I see Patreon as a way to support people, not content. But--and this is a major but--don't feel like you have to turn out something perfect. Working in publishing, I've known some writers and illustrators we gave infinite time to work on something, and they crushed themselves with their own expectations. It took an editor to pick them back up and patch the material together. TL;DR---Nurture your mental health first. Care for you, man. L&R, --Cloisterance

Cloisterance

I don't want you to compromise on the quality but if it does come to you choosing between B and F I say go with B. A monthly schedule might make Box Peek take a hit in the beginning, Option F will forever lower the quality, even for viewers who come in late once it's all out.

Olf Himself

Here is the best feedback I can give you. 1. Most every person here loves you like a real life friend Kyle. We mean it when we say take your time. Although you may think the comments of this feed seem “too kind”, remember we paid for this to happen to see and help you with YOUR vision. The overwhelming majority of us have no concerns as to when it comes out, just that it does, and in the uncompromised way you wanted. TLDR: option F sucks, don’t do that 2. Although I feel most every patron wants option A, if you personally are feeling burned out creatively from this process, in a way you feel may hinder the shows quality, option B will allow you receive a dopamine rush of positive feedback, which make get the creative juices flowing again. TLDR: Option A is best, but option B may have merit for you personally L&R my friend -Brandon

Brandon Patton

Hoping to see all episodes soon!

Snowcone Guy

I feel like this project is weighing you down a lot. I dont want you to compromise on your vision but I also don't want you to feel like your a slave to this patreon, trying to deliver on a goal you drastically underestimated. Do whatever makes you happy! Good luck and thanks for the update.

klastical

Hey dude, I am in no rush. When it's ready, it's ready. Make something you can stand by!

Jeremy Ferris

Keep up the hard work, Kyle!

Minamik

I'd rather you not put it out altogether then put out a show that you hate.

Don't compromise the quality. Animation takes long, and you're a single person with total creative control. Rick and Morty with a team of writers and animators can't churn out a season in the time frame you're working in, and that's their job. This is your first go at it, you got to leave a little leeway for the learning process. I'd settle for a release every month, but honestly, I really want this to be an event. Something on our minds every week, in the zeitgeist, drawing attention to Easy Allies, continued momentum week to week. Waiting a month would make those who stumble upon the show lose interest, but the fans who are eagerly anticipating Box Peek, we'll be invested no matter what. So I'd say just consider that, consider the people who aren't fans yet but will be. Those of us who are fans, we can wait.

POKEY CLYDE

This is good suggestion.

James McCoy

Unless, of course, this is all just driving you crazy, and you want to be done with it. In which case, compromise away! We trust you.

James McCoy

Plan A! Don't compromise quality or the show's momentum. I upped my pledge last year to help get this funded, but I am in NO RUSH to see it. I want Box Peek to be the weird little show you wanted it to be, a timeless classic I can show my grandchildren and say "ok kids, so there used to be this site called 'Game Trailers'..."

James McCoy

Go with plan A. No worries Kyle

Sven Van Lathem

As long as you give it your best, I'll be happy with what you put out when you put it out Kyle, you don't have to worry about pleasing this patron with deadlines. L&R!

Captain_Falcpwn

Hey man, this is an insanely impressive labor of love. Animated, written, and edited by one person, and partly voiced. Personally, I'm ok with waiting as long as it needs to cook, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

Bill Kelly

Take your time Kyle and never enact plan F. A little audio tip (not as essential since you record VO in an audio booth), you can record ambient sound (even of a "silent" room) and lay it on a track along your dialogue tracks. You'll give it more cohesiveness and will help make feel more "natural", like both characters are in the same space. L&R!

Off to make my protest sign: “No compromises for Yu-Gi-Oh with paper”

iconmaster

Again, just take the rest of the year for it. End of discussion.

Sonny Laguna

Kyle the amount of work you're putting into this is quite incredible. thanks for the look behind the scenes. As far as I'm concerned take all the time you need.

Mango

Box peek makes the sistine chapel weep. Let it cook!

Well, I’m sure you wouldn’t have any trouble getting an army of interns to help if you were really desperate.

Cash

When I watched the pilot episode of Box Peek, a crazy thing happened. I no longer felt pain, and had no fear in my heart anymore. If you enact Plan F, the pain will return. Please Bosman, think of all of us who were touched by Box Peek. We can't live in a world where the truest form of Box Peek does not exist

Thanks for the update and the behind the scenes looks at what it takes to make Box Peek. I'm starting an audio drama and have no idea what I'm doing so this was super useful to me.

Let’s it stew chef bosman, let it stew

Kola Aina

Thanks for the upfate Kyle. From my limited personal experience, things like this always take way more time than expected, and some compromises are always part of big projects. But, don't ship a product you are unhappy with, we want your vision. So I guess I'm in let it cook camp. Thanks for all your hard work!

There is not a single person here that would want you to compromise on your art style.

Michael Baker

Box Peak is the highest form of Art

Let. It. Cook.

I feel box peek is something special and I do not mind the wait. The animation and feel of episode 1 is fantastic. I am in the "Let it Cook" camp on this one.

FreeDoM

Personally I am fine with it taking a long time and just showing us all the episodes when you are ready.

Ian Alexander

Thanks for the detailed update and peek into the post production process !!! SO cool to hear Sweet Justice was involved in giving you advice on SFX and compression. Whatever choice you'll make at the end of the month I'll be 100% supporting it !!! L&R

tahitianwarrior

Thanks for this update, Kyle. And thanks for putting so much work and effort in Yu-gi-oh with paper.

César Villa

"Not a good enough show"? The half dozen random non gamers I've shown who loved it beg to differ. Let it cook dude, its a treasure.

Daniel Rona

Let it cooooook

I'm okay with box peek taking time, but please Kyle, appear on the next Fiasconauts, I really miss you on that show.

RedVIII

Kyle you should see the behind the scenes of Resident Evil Revelations 2 and see just how efficient a "crude cut" is where you put something together just to get a sense of the whole.

Lunk

I agree with both Kyle and people here. If you want Kyle just take the time making this work the way you want. The preview got me on-board and I don't think anyone would mind waiting. So if you want to do it right then do it. However, if you feel Box Peek it taking more of your time than you feel it should than I get that, and do what you must! In short, if the decision is made to please the fans then don't worry, we'll wait. But if the decision is made to make things better for yourself, then do it for yourself :-)

Kyle please please please let it cook. I don't care how long it takes, I just want to see what you want to make.

Kyle literally the only thing I don’t want is for you to start releasing it on a set schedule before it’s all done. Miss as many streams as you want, because the streams you’ll have after you’ve made something you’re proud of will undoubtedly be happier and better as a result, and the fans will recognise this. Love ya Bossy, I trust in your comedic eye <3

Mr M

I have no problem with waiting. You're still doing other work, you're there every week for the podcast, the group tournaments and your Twitch streams. We can understand you have other commitments.

Steve

Love & Respect Kyle, I'd rather wait than go to Plan B/F

Brandon Ray

I'm fine with waiting if it means everyone is more satisfied with the final product. Having seen the pilot episode, I think patrons in general are more patient now, anyway. That's definitely the case for me.

balladofthegoddess

You could always tweak the end of the middle episode to make it a mid season cliffhanger.. then release that batch with a “Box Peek will return in Fall 2018” end credit. If Mad Men and Game of Thrones can divide seasons up and release the second half up to a year later for production reasons.. I think Box Peek can ride that wave. We’d have a bunch of eps to absorb, rewatch and anticipate the second half.

hellsfoxes

Would rather wait two years for your best work than have a product that feels rushed at the end. Take your time and enjoy yourself!

Mark Benton

Plan A would probably be just get it done normally, but what were plans C D and E?

Matt Brookbank

I'm sure it's worth the wait! Appreciate the work you put in, and the communication of the process. L&R

I say stay the course and don’t release anything until they’re all done and can be released weekly w/o any stress. I don’t see the need to rush or adjust the quality. And as a viewer and patron I’d like to wait until it can support a weekly release schedule

Greg Kettering

Keep up the hard work, Kyle! Can’t wait to see the finished product. L&R!

Castno