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Episode 36: A GAME OF THRONES, DAENERYS IV: "The Holy Mountain" SHOW NOTES!

Hello and welcome to the Not A Cast … podcast: the one true chapter-by-chapter podcast going through A Song of Ice and Fire one chapter a week. I’m one of your hosts Jeff better known as BryndenBFish. 

And I’m your other host Emmett, better known as PoorQuentyn. 

Welcome to our thirty-sixth episode of the Not A Cast entitled: “The Holy Mountain: An Analysis of AGOT, Daenerys IV,” in which Dany and the gang arrive at the “ancient, arrogant, and empty” city of Vaes Dothrak, where in a shocking turn of events, Viserys is an asshole. This episode is brought to you all by our Lords Commander Mark N, Timothy W, Hayden J, WolfmanZack and! We’re pleased to announce our first Lady Commander Jancy O. Thank you, gentlemen and lady!

Spoiler warning: All published books - 5 novels, 3 Dunk and Egg novellas, histories, interviews, TWOW sample chapters, as well as Game of Thrones the TV show. Anything and everything!

With this chapter, we are officially past the halfway point of AGOT! Our thanks and love to everyone who’s listened and supported us so far, and we’re super excited to dig into the second half of the book, where shit really gets real.

Question

Lady Sharla B asks:

After rereading Feast prologue and Analyzing the Alchemist again I thought of the passage in Feast Arya II where Arya sees a vault of old strange armor and weapons. Do you think that since Euron had no problems with Kinslaying and he thinks he can take Dany's dragons, that he could have gotten the Valyrian steel suit in addition to having Balon killed by the FM?

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Synopsis

Daenerys Targaryen passes under a gate fashioned by two giant bronze stallions and enters Vaes Dothrak. The gate is odd, because the damn city doesn’t have walls or buildings so far. Dany, Jorah and Viserys ride down a long road into the city. Wait, Viserys? Yes, Viserys. He’s there too riding. Odd, right given that we last saw him sitting his whiny ass on the great grass sea, right? Well, he’s there only after walking a bit of the way to Vaes Dothrak and then given a cart. Viserys had thought Drogo was apologizing. He wasn’t. He and the rest of the Dothraki had called him Khal Rhae Mhar “The Sorefoot King” when he walked and then Khal Rhaggat, the Cart King, when he rode in the cart. In Dothraki culture, walking and carts are  It was only after Dany used all her bed tricks on Drogo that the Khal consented to Viserys riding a real horse again like a real boy.

Dany looks ahead and wonders where the city is. Jorah tells her that it’s under the great mountain looming in the distance. The party passes by statues of gods and heroes that the Dothraki had “liberated” from their vanquished enemies. Stone kings, black dragons, griffins, manticores and some beasts that were so misshapen and terrible that Dany can’t bear to look at them. Those ones are from Asshai. Sounds like a lovely place.

Viserys doesn’t think much of the statues. The trash of dead cities. He says this in the common tongue, because he’s a cock, but he’s not a 100% stupid cock. When Viserys goes on and on about how the Dothraki are savages and thieves, Dany finally tells him to cut that shit out. The Dothraki aren’t savages. They’re her people now. Viserys retorts that he’s a very brave dragon, and he can say whatever the fuck he wants … y’know so long as it’s in a language that only he, Dany and Jorah can understand. But anyways, when does Drogo give me my army?

The princess must be presented to the dosh khaleen, Jorah replies.

You see, before there’s any invasion of Westeros, Daenerys Targaryen will be presented to the widows of dead khals and a prophecy will be spoken about her unborn child. More on that in Daenerys V! 

But Viserys is tired of eating all this goddamn horse meat and smelling bad. Give the boy his milk and some nice clothes, for God’s sake! Jorah tells him to get over to the market to get his milk and cookies. When Viserys spots a statue with six boobs and a ferret’s head, he finally gets off-page.

With Viserys gone, Dany tells Jorah she hopes Drogo doesn’t keep him long. Jorah says that Viserys should have stayed put in Pentos like Illyrio offered. The Dothraki do things in their own time and that the concept of trading is foreign to the Dothraki. They do gifts. Daenerys was Viserys’ gift to Drogo, and Drogo will give a gift of a golden crown back to Viserys. Mmm-hm. Yes he will.

Dany finds herself defending Viserys. It’s not right to make him wait. Besides, Viserys claims he can sweep the Seven Kingdoms with just 10,000 Dothraki. Jorah calls bullshit on that. And then Daenerys says something interesting:

What if it were not Viserys? If it were someone else who led them? Someone stronger? Could the Dothraki truly conquer the Seven Kingdoms?

Jorah grows thoughtful. Someone else? Yeah. Maybe. On the question of whether the Dothraki could conquer Westeros, Jorah’s first impression was that the knights of Westeros would beat the Dothraki like a red-headed stepchild, but now? Now he thinks that the Dothraki could take on Westeros. Drogo has 40,000 warriors: the same number Rhaegar had at the Trident. But unlike Rhaegar, they’re all mounted and highly-experience warriors. But the Dothraki would struggle in siege warfare. Good thing for the Dothraki that Robert is ruling. He’s not about to hide inside his castle. But the other high lords - Stannis, Tywin and Eddard Stark would caution a different course.

What about this Ned Stark? Dany asks. Why do you hate him? Well, he took everything that Jorah loved and only because he practiced slavery. Just that! 

But before Jorah can say more, he points up ahead to Vaes Dothrak. It’s a vast yet small city. It’s 10 times larger than Pentos, but the buildings were all strange, deserted. Pavilions, grass manses, wooden towers, pyramids made of marble, log halls open to the sky. No rhyme or reason behind their construction. And why the haphazard construction? Well, Viserys wasn’t all the way wrong when he spoke of Vaes Dothrak as the trash of dead cities. This city was built by slaves of the conquered peoples that Dothraki brought here. So, everyone built buildings after their own cultural fashion. And as to the deserted buildings, the only permanent residents in Vaes Dothrak are the dosh khaleen. But not to fear, this city can house the entirety of the all the Dothraki should they ever gather together. Wonder if that’s foreshadowing …

Anyways, they arrive at the Eastern Market with the Mother of Mountains over them. They’re led to a “palace” (in reality a wooden feasting hall), and there all the Dothraki hand over weapons to the slaves. No weapons were allowed in Vaes Dothrak. This was the place for all Dothraki. Irri and Jhiqui help Dany down from her silver, and Cohollo, Drogo’s oldest bloodrider, comes to Daenerys. We get a little more backstory about who Bloodriders are and what they do. They are the khal’s closest companions and serve a sort-of kingsguard role to the khal, but unlike the kingsguard, they only serve to the end of the khal’s life, and then they joined their khal in the night lands. And if their khal died in battle, they would only live long enough to avenge their dead khal. 

Dany likes the sound of that - especially given the treachery of the kingsguard in Westeros. She’d have bloodriders watching over her son instead of some traitorous Jaime Lannister or turncloakin’ Barristan Selmy. But Cohollo is only here to tell Dany that Drogo is heading up to the Mother of Mountains to sacrifice to the gods. 

Dany says thanks and orders a bath for herself. The bath water is scalding - just the way Dany lies it - and Dany says that she’d like to give gifts to Viserys to atone for what happened on the Dothraki Sea. Besides, Viserys is still the king, right? Right!? Wrong. That’s Stannis. Checkmark.

Daenerys dispatches Doreah to invite that asshole over for dinner. Meanwhile, Irri is to head over to the market to buy food that Viserys likes. Anything but horsemeat. Also, Dany has had some brand-new clothes sewn for Viserys as his silk clothes were ruined on the road to Vaes Dothrak. 

Irri arrives back with the food, and Daenerys wonders whether maybe these gifts will serve as an olive branch to Viserys. Maybe not.

Viserys storms into the room after punching Doreah in the face, enraged that Doreah commanded Viserys to come to dinner. When Dany asks Doreah what she told Viserys, her handmaid replies that she did command him to come to dinner. She doesn’t know what she did wrong though. 

No one commands the dragon. I am your king! I should have sent you back her head!

Simmer down, asshole, Dany tries to say. She presents the clothing gifts to Viserys, but Viserys ain’t about that. Dothraki rags. Next you’ll want to braid my hair like a damn savage too, right? Nope.

You have no right to a braid, you have won no victories yet.

Dany knows it’s the wrong thing to say, but she’s past caring. Viserys is furious. And Dany is upset. She had Doreah sew a khal’s clothing for Viserys. The Cart King snaps that he’s the Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Dany’s pregnancy won’t protect her if his dragon is woke. He grabs her arm, and for a moment Dany feels the same way she did in her first chapter … until she grabs the belt she was going to give him and hits that son of a bitch asshole square in the goddamn face. HELL. YES.

Leave me now, before I summon my khas to drag you out. And pray that Khal Drogo does not hear of this, or he will cut open your belly and feed you your own entrails.

Viserys gets back to his feet, whimpering that when he gets his kingdom Dany will be sorry. And then he finally leaves. Jhiqui offers Dany dinner, but she’s not hungry for food. Instead, she asks that her dragon eggs be brought to her. She holds the eggs close to her, and she feels her unborn child move inside of her almost as if the eggs and her unborn child were related.

You are the dragon, Dany whispered to him, the true dragon. I know it. I know it.

She falls asleep dreaming of home.

And that is AGOT, Daenerys IV: culture shock, emotions and the penultimate step to Viserys’ downfall. I love it. You love it. And if you don’t, you’re stupid, fat, ugly and will die unmourned. 

What did you think, Emmett?

Depth

Our first Dany chapter in a while! The last one, Dany III (which we discussed with LML), crossed great distances in both space and time; Dany IV largely serves to introduce us to a single location, the sacred city of Vaes Dothrak, where we’ll spend the next couple of Dany chapters. It’s a lot like Catelyn VI which we recently covered, in that it’s more connective tissue and an orgy of worldbuilding than it is an iconic story beat unto itself. The two chapters even have a huge mountain in common, though we don’t climb this one...not yet, anyway. Also as with Catelyn VI, while it’s not as beloved as the chapters that come before and after it in our POV’s story, Dany IV gives us some dazzling imagery and groundwork to chew on, as well as furthering Dany’s character arc regarding Viserys, the Dothraki, and how she feels the pressure on both sides from the worlds (and paths for her) they represent. 

Agreed! That pull from her Targaryen and Dothraki identities set against the swirl of new, exotic sights is impressive storytelling. While Dany adapts Dothraki customs, wears Dothraki garments and has even learned a few Dothraki words, she’s not gone “full native.” She is still a dragon seen in both her questions to Jorah about Westeros and symbolized by her desire to have her dragon eggs brought to her at the end of the chapter. Dany ain’t in Pentos anymore, a powerless exiled princess. She’s becoming a khaleesi. A Targaryen khaleesi.

"It is not right to make him wait." Dany did not know why she was defending her brother, yet she was. 

Likes/Dislikes

Like: There’s one detail in the worldbuilding that I especially enjoy, because of how it relates to Dany’s earlier chapters: 

Khal Drogo finally called a halt near the Eastern Market where the caravans from Yi Ti and Asshai and the Shadow Lands came to trade, with the Mother of Mountains looming overhead. Dany smiled as she recalled Magister Illyrio's slave girl and her talk of a palace with two hundred rooms and doors of solid silver. The "palace" was a cavernous wooden feasting hall, its rough-hewn timbered walls rising forty feet, its roof sewn silk, a vast billowing tent that could be raised to keep out the rare rains, or lowered to admit the endless sky. Around the hall were broad grassy horse yards fenced with high hedges, firepits, and hundreds of round earthen houses that bulged from the ground like miniature hills, covered with grass. 

The stories about Drogo’s palace were true...sort of, as filtered through a culture Dany now understands better, and so this passage helps us as readers measure the gap between who Dany was at the beginning of the book and who she is now halfway through it. (I wonder if GRRM has a similar yes-but-also-no approach in mind for the image v. reality of Skagos…)

Dislike: The scene with Viserys basically has to exist in order to ramp up the Targ v. Targ tension from the initial confrontation on the Dothraki Sea to his death in Dany’s next chapter. Having said that, though, the dialogue and tone of this scene in Dany IV feels repetitive after Dany III; I have difficulty remembering what exactly was said and done in one “Viserys is just the worst” scene versus the other. 

Like: I like when GRRM shows us that he’s well-read. And here, we see it as Rhaego reaches out to the dragon eggs as family in similar fashion to the in-utero John the Baptist reaching out to the also in-utero cousin Jesus in Luke 1:41: And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. As much as GRRM is an agnostic or atheist, I respect that he knows his cultural references even from the Bible.

Dislike: I think we lose something in returning to Viserys as a one-note villain. Yes, I like how he’s not a complete moron in some scenes here, but his purpose is just to be obnoxious and get readers eager for his coming death. I prefer the version of Viserys as played by Harry Lloyd who gets across the crazy but also shows us a pitiable character that thinks he’s about to be betrayed by Drogo. I really like the added scene from Bastards, Cripples and Broken Things were Viserys Targaryen bathes with Doreah, and we see Viserys as a bit more human than we see here -- and the episode still retains the Daenerys/Viserys scene where he’s in full Aerys-mode, but Viserys having those human moments from that episode makes it, dare I say, a touch better than what we see in this chapter. (But to be fair to GRRM, we wouldn’t see the Doreah/Dany scene in AGOT as Viserys isn’t a POV character. Limitations of the medium and such.)

Foreshadowing/Groundwork

“What … what if it were not Viserys?" she asked. "If it were someone else who led them? Someone stronger?” 

Hmm, anyone you have in mind, Dany? Speaking of which:

"Only the crones of the dosh khaleen dwell permanently in the sacred city, them and their slaves and servants," Ser Jorah replied, "yet Vaes Dothrak is large enough to house every man of every khalasar, should all the khals return to the Mother at once. The crones have prophesied that one day that will come to pass, and so Vaes Dothrak must be ready to embrace all its children." 

Hmm, who will gather all the Mother’s children together...surely not Mhysa, Mother of Dragons…

Theory/Discussion

How do we think the Dothraki invasion of Westeros will go?/What will go down at Vaes Dothrak in TWOW? 

“The Dothraki follow only the strong.” (AGOT, Daenerys IX)
“They took Khal Drogo’s herds, Khaleesi,” Rakharo said. “We were too few to stop them. It is the right of the strong to take from the weak. They took many slaves as well, the khal’s and yours, yet they left some few.”
“Eroeh?” asked Dany, remembering the frightened child she had saved outside the city of the Lamb Men.
“Mago seized her, who is Khal Jhaqo’s bloodrider now,” said Jhogo. “He mounted her high and low and gave her to his khal, and Jhaqo gave her to his other bloodriders. They were six. When they were done with her, they cut her throat.” (AGOT, Daenerys IX)
“Khaleesi, “ the handmaid Irri explained, as if to a child, “Jhaqo is a khal now, with twenty thousand riders at his back.”
She lifted her head. “And I am Daenerys Stormborn, Daenerys of House Targaryen, of the blood of Aegon the Conqueror and Maegor the Cruel and old Valyria before them. I am the dragon’s daughter, and I swear to you, these men will die screaming. (AGOT, Daenerys IX)
A vast herd of horses appeared below them. There were riders too, a score or more, but they turned and fled at the first sight of the dragon. The horses broke and ran when the shadow fell upon them, racing through the grass until their sides were white with foam, tearing the ground with their hooves … but as swift as they were, they could not fly. Soon one horse began to lag behind the others. The dragon descended on him, roaring, and all at once the poor beast was aflame, yet somehow he kept on running, screaming with every step, until Drogon landed on him and broke his back (ADWD, Daenerys X)
That was how Khal Jhaqo found her, when half a hundred mounted warriors emerged from the drifting smoke. (ADWD, Daenerys X)
“So Mago is not dead in the books. And, in fact, he’s going to be a recurring character in Winds of Winter. He’s a particularly nasty bloodrider to one of the other Khals that’s broken away after Drogo dies.” – Entertainment Weekly Interview with George RR Martin, July 12, 2011
WINDS OF WINTER. Yes, I’m working on that too. At the moment, I am writing about the Dothraki. More than that, I sayeth not, you know I don’t like to talk about this stuff. – GRRM, Notablog, May 12, 2012
“To go north, you must go south. To reach the west, you must go east. To go forward you must go back, and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow.”
Beneath the Mother of Mountains, a line of naked crones crept from a great lake and knelt shivering before her, their grey heads bowed. (ACOK, Daenerys IV)
Wiser men know that it is only a matter of time until the khalasars unite again under some great khal and turn west once more in search of new conquests. (TWOIAF, The Dothraki)
One day all the khalasars shall gather together once more beneath the banners of the great khal who will conquer all, the “stallion who mounts the world.” (TWOIAF, The Dothraki)

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