Episode #199 - The Most Controversial Episode

This sure is... Something... How the fuck you were able to let that loony talk uninterrupted that much is impressive beyond words.

ZaInT

So much Bs spit, But he was completely right about the seal of satan

Robert Llamar

Man this is my third time listening to this and it always makes me surprised confused and worried about the people we live in this planet with

Don'tbemadsempai

Nah Jeff C was the man

Slap Cock

Idk why I come back to listen to this. Maybe it's some weird morbid reminder of just how fucked up someone's mind can get. To be able to spout a ludicrous amount of bs and trivialize tragedy in such a calm manner is eerie. Claims he's exposing stuff for a noble cause, but has consistently shown to have a holier-than-thou attitude. And for someone who claims to be knowledgeable and knew he was gonna be questioned, it's funny how he comes in with absolutely no links to sources for his "research" and instead pushes it onto others to look. And as a cherry on top, he's homophobic and probably racist. Absolutely despicable person who just completely reinforced the crazed conspiracy theorist stereotype. But if there's any solace to any of this, it's that this fucker is rotting in the ground. Good riddance.

Chimera

I am now 3% dumber.I love you boys but please never again

I find it funny af that this dude talks about how Google and all these news outlets are manipulating people's thought but he's getting all his info off the internet or books which go through the government

Expression

This was the greatest episode I've seen and I've started in reverse order to see if quality degraded or stayed consistent. This was the greatest not because he was talking facts but rather because it was fascinating to find out that this dude exists and is able to stay calm while spouting bs. Fast round was highlight to this nonsense.

Expression

Glad I never reached this side of Twitter. The craziest shit I see are weird anime pfps talking crazy, vtuber drama over bs and people celebrating the Queens death. Where the f do these people come from. He literally no u'd Andrew's question. What happened before these corporations in this guys world view.

Expression

Same bro

Calvin Baker

I never really comment on these especially old ones, but holllyyyy shittt

Kasper Moreira

"I'm in a different realm" got me dead 💀 Aight bro keep believin tht 🤣

Tobey

Everytime jeff spoke i lost half my brain cells. It was genuinley painful listening to him talk about all his conspiracies and shit

Nathan L.

Same I honestly can’t believe they pussied out and didn’t post it on YouTube all that’s gonna do is make ppl like Jeff believe they’re being censored

Ed

I love this podcast. I've listened for hundreds, maybe thousands of hours...

Rem

Yes I know I said Kyle not kaya turns out Google autocorrect doesn't really recognize Kaya as a real name

daddies cummies

@Drachenbar you're right man I wouldn't say this episode was the most boring that would have to be episode 204 tune to that one if you just want to hear Kyle bash on America for almost an hour straight with almost no commentary from the other boys, but this episode was definitely a huge missed opportunity there are so many questions they could have asked him that would have completely shut him down and would have been so funny to see how he reacted to them but like the guy that responded to your comment said they clearly were not prepared in the slightest for how hard this guy was going to go

daddies cummies

A surprising amount of people trying to defend the man's rants in these comments. Those people don't understand this.

Is this based on your thousands of hours of research as well?

Thousands of hours of research, apparently, on crisis actors. Follows top YouTubers, messages them to ask to come on podcast and says he has no idea who Charlie is. Follows all of them, definitely watched some of the podcasts and pretends to have no idea about Charlie. It's absolute cringe.

Take it from a live perspective. Im not sure how much research they did on him, but he came out guns blazing with some topics of sensitive origins. I personally would get heated, especially over the complete dismissal of school shootings. Being in the moment, if you are in complete disagreement with someone, and are personally offended by something he says, it is difficult to maintain politeness. You are right, they talked over and assaulted him, but it's 4 v 1, its always going to be like that. They never claimed they were gonna be nice, or let him speak his whole peace. They wanted crazy on, and he was ready, they probably weren't. He strikes me as someone used to debating his side, which is why he comes off far more composed than our boys. You should be far more appalled that his "research" is all in fancy terminology and crazy numbers of hours thrown about on specific topics. Thousands of hours of research on crisis actors would be damaging to a psyche. No wonder he believes every 4chan thread he reads and every homophobic, racist, and statistics he reads on his antechamber of thought.

I would say it's more being on brand with trends and what will get listens, if depression is a hot topic (something people are willing to be talked about now), I would say they are less "normalizing" it and more capitalizing on it as a topic that people consider motivational and ground breaking. This will get them money, absolutely what they are after more than trying to fit some agenda from a larger group. They will hop off the train as soon as social media values something over talking about depression and anxiety and therapy.

I'm all for listening to other opinions, but please for the love of God, use this only as a benchmark for crazy. Do not give this man with too much free time any merit. Spends too much time looking for obscure connections and making some grandiose theory because of the most minor connections. It's truly idiotic.

He's probably a Ben Shapiro simp, practicing a legitimate form debate and being patient in the face of others you anger with your crazy and purely statistical arguments, you can site that as a win for you "Oh man, I was way more composed than them, I win", he's probably done a lot of debating and defending of his passion project that he can do it without getting heated that level-headed people won't buy into it and he isn't so concerned with it, and will probably just bitch about them on his channel at a later time.

Not until he starts stealing money and physically hurting people.

School shootings, the pandemic, all of his points are true, but scaled down? No way. His whole point revolves around an illuminati-based organization that's existed for thousands of years? That just is categorically false. People's fixation over triangles being a major connecting factor, there are several shapes that are recurring, if you look for connections, you will find them. There is no group sprinkling these around like "a dog licking its balls", it's just someone with a lot of free time trying to spout racist, bat shit, nonsense to do some brainwashing of their own. Very egotistical and dangerous to give any merit to.

Okay, but at the same time, he is saying some crazy, radical things with sincerity and not explaining well at all, albeit not given much time to do so, but he talks about these obscure points that you have to look up for "thousands of hours", and it's frustrating for normal people. They never claimed they were gonna be able to let this man speak his complete peace. They just said they would have him on, and I think they handled it much better than I would. Especially during the "fake shootings" and Jew, M. Knight Shyamalan twist there at the end. These are frustrating when talked about a mad man just shitting on real hot topics.

With the logic I've witnessed. Probably an egotistical view that the world rulers reside here in North America and that they used the rest of the world to drive the "fake" pandemic as a hoax, to affect our lives the most. Comes from people with too much free time.

While dangerous, you cannot shut out people with a difference of opinion, which this guy plays with. Not facts, it's up to people to decide whether or not this aligns with their own beliefs, it should be the people conducting the interview to disprove points made by these lunatics.

Does copious amounts of research then admits after 2 nearly hour long videos he didn't know who Charlie was

Jordan

I think this is probably one of the worst episodes you guys have put out, like the guy is obviously a fucking moron, but you brought him on so let the moron talk. You guys were just constantly talking over him and interrupting him and it was honestly super frustrating. He was trying to be calm and polite but several times you guys, especially Jackson, laughed in his face and made comments to each other as if he wasn't there. Also, I think the one question you could have asked him but didn't would be that if he has done all this research and seen the proof of these claims, why doesn't he collect that proof in a word document and share it? Instead he states the conclusion he has come to from his research and tells people to research it themselves if they don't believe him.

Drachenbar

“I’m not against homosexuality, but-“

Ulan Okai

each time he said the lgbtqxyz thing it pissed me off

Jessica Rojas

oh to read the boys’ private chat

I swear you could make a killer drinking game if you take a shot everytime he says "well I did the research and you didnt

guiezi

Jackson thank you so much for asking the dinosaur question

Regardless of if you agree with any of what he says, i have to appreciate his polite and respectful discussion of his views. Clearly done a lot of research even if the sources arent always clear and the conclusions seem a bit wacky

100% agree with the normalization of depression. I've worked with some mainstream "alternative" hip hop artists, and consistently the executives would only approve tracks that glorified depression or drug use. Whether or not it's part of a "depopulate" plan is irrelevant.

Don Santos

Best episode in a long time

He sounds like bob saget

Rob Rice

Best comment so far

This was awesome. Thank you guys for listening to another perspective. We need this.

God it’s fucking crazy how sometimes he can kinda get close to a point and then completely take a fucking left turn

Forgive us, for we have sinned.

The Boys

Let's hope this cheered you up, then.

The Boys

No I'm just dumb, there's a difference. -K

The Boys

<3

The Boys

My kingdom to find out. -K

The Boys

My cousin was near there as well not like super close but he heard the gun shots.

Eric Lopez

Fucking love you Jackson. Some of the quips you threw at this guy had me laughing.

Eric Lopez

Like america might have a few more social plans HOPEFULLY Medicare 4 All. But to say full blown communism. NEVER. Americans are scared of communism now as they have always been.

Eric Lopez

Just started hormones (mtf) happiest I've ever been This guy lmao I like that you guys took the risk and got him on, great ep <3

This is pretty sick

Dkwonmaikel

Since Charlie isn't going to upload this episode to his channel, is there somewhere else where I can see a video version?

youre silly

I can at the very least "debunk" his point about how school shootings are fake since my college, UNCC, was involved in a school shooting in my programming building. After the event, they shut down the building and made it a faculty only building. Edit: Dude is crazy lmao

He already has a platform

Spud

It's more that the people who think that this episode was a bad idea would say that no matter how much they challenged him because they don't think he should've been on in the first place.

Spud

I had to stop the episode a few times because some of the shit he was spewing was so outrageous. It baffles me that someone believes any of this but here we are anyway.

For someone who believes almost everybody but him is brainwashed, Jeff’s actually quite polite and friendly

Dokuo

i just know the boys were in a group chat to the side like "what the actual fuck is this dude saying"

So what’s his excuse going to be if in 10 years, nothing has changed? Obviously society is going to progress, that’s just how life works. I’m assuming he’s just going to move the goalposts even further. But I really want to know what his thought process will be when he’s 70-80 years old and “they” haven’t taken control.

Kuka

I feel like I just grew a tinfoil hat after that nonsense.

They didn't even ask him if he masturbates. Unbelievable.

Not the outro banger with the holocaust, all that shit before it

Jugum

Near the end he's making a lot of great points, as crazy as that makes me sound

Jugum

Fuck this guy.

Tyler

I need more of this. Challenging the vision of madness. Yo get an incell next!

TravisPerry

? If someone else does something stupid its not the fault of another. Plus they're harmless agoraphobics. They don't get out a lot after college

TravisPerry

Honestly its really screwed up but it's also kinda sad. It's good to hear a perspective, and it's educational to those that need to sort of keep themselves in check . This guy going on about "media manipulation" or "Crisis Actors", it just shows isolation, like I'm not an armchair psychologist or anything but it's pretty clear this guy is delusional. Human but delusional, thanks for posting this guys, it's important to hear everybody's perspective even if it's insane/wrong in this guy's case.

As a schizophrenic. Give us more credit.

TravisPerry

What would this guy and Hardin talk about if they were introduced to each other

Jugum

Nah guys, think this one was a terrible idea...there is no entertainment in listening to this lunatic. I’m all for free speech, but this is just toxic and nonsense! Consider all the people laughing at this idiot, but if even one lost listener started listening to this episode, ‘believes’ his crap and begins to fall down the rabbit hole..you’ve done fu*ked it up. Just an insult to anyone who died at school shootings and to Covid...this ain’t gaffs and goofs anymore. P.s never even asked him any masturbatory tales...

This is my first time listening to this through patreon and shit this is great

@32:00 when Kaya started talking 🔥

Iam a tax paying law abiding citizen which will change if i get the whif of our govt or the like trying to take away my rights and assets. All my morals will be out the window and iam sure it will be the same for alot of people. So fucking bring it on you 1%er skum....

zac carline

Yes interview more Degenerates. You're not giving them a platform everybody already has one of different sizes & the dredge of society has the smallest. If people are scared about them getting more people the person to join that was likely going to seek them out anyway.

Every time the boys challenge him his rebuttal is just NUH UH CAUSE I LOOKED IT UP

I can't decide if this guy is worse than the guy who created Scientology

Everything he said is true if you delude it by 80%. He just took too many redpills

SpaceCadet

Why? Wouldn't it be better to let him explain why he thinks that then point out the flaws in it?

Holly

They didn’t ask? Plus it was top tier the guys knows how to ramble about anything

Great episode, the guy is batshit but nevertheless it was great to finally get the guy on to explain himself

Sloothman

Im honestly a little surprised at the amount of people that seem to think he went unchallenged even though they definitely challenged everything, even if it wasnt just overly aggressive all the time.

Holly

All of his arguments just boil down to if you were fucking batshit insane like me you'd understand

daddies cummies

this was both the best and worst episode to listen to

This is what schizophrenia sounds like.

You guys really need to not give people like this a platform I know it sounded fun him coming on the shelf first even I thought it's not fun but this is a mistake you can't just have someone on a major podcast denying fucking school shootings

daddies cummies

This is like listening to a unicorn get burnt alive with a flamethrower

daddies cummies

How much do you want to bet like 90% of the time they all except for maybe kaya have their mics muted because they're laughing their asses off so hard

daddies cummies

Big props to Jackson for standing up and the rest of the official boys for saying what we were all thinking. I enjoyed listening to this lunatic speak but I really enjoyed hearing Jackson stand up and challenge that guys beliefs.

I was already taken aback by his beliefs but to learn that he lives in the same city as I do really offended me. I just feel sorry for this poor man, being this deep into lunacy

Simon Arseneault

I have actually never wanted to come through the screen and beat someone’s ass so bad

This was very entertaining, but I do have to agree with some of the other comments here that maybe you shouldn't have given this asshole a platform to spread his poisonous ideas. You could have challenged him a little harder, at least.

Roderick720

That was actually amazing. Please let Kaya pick more guests.

hey i know you guys are getting a lot of shit for this episode about giving him a platform but i think this is a fun episode of making fun of a dumb conspiricist and showing how he just moves from diffrent points evertime his logical leeps get pointed out by the boys, i do understand that it some are upset that its four aginst 1 but when it comes to podcast format the moment there are more then like 5 or 6 people it gets to hard to format plus the boys dont wont to spread the misinformation by limiting to one lunitic

Yert Dertsons

It’s party time baby!

slump

Bro I listened to this shit LIVE it was insane!!!

Bro what the fuck was that

DT

This is whacky. I love it.

Danny

I mean to be fair they gave that exact warning in the description lmao

Spud

Idk if I'd go so far as to call him dangerous, don't get me wrong you got the lunatic part right for sure but it doesn't seem like he's really harming anyone with his rhetoric beyond those who willingly listen to him.

Spud

So not that much else he said was any better but the whole suspended childhood thing makes absolutely zero sense since it assumes that people who are into pop culture or whatever gibberish he described it as can't live what he defines as a "normal" life which is just completely false.

Spud

This episode is kinda really just un-enjoyable. I disagree with with the guest but everyone is like ignoring what he's saying and just getting upset and interrupting him mid sentence forcing him to change subject and everyone is using his subject change to continue to borderline attack him. I'm just not gonna finish the episode.

Regerts

If this guy seriously thinks that the end goal of the "scamdemic" is to fundamentally change the structure of society internationally then how is he going to explain that countries that have it under wraps are largely back to normal, albeit to a higher standard of hygiene than before.

Spud

Not to defend this lunatic but I'm pretty sure he meant poor as in this unfortunate person who had their son killed in a gang shooting

Spud

Respect to Kaya for steering this clusterfuck, without him this would've been unwatchable for me

Spud

While I do think these are good questions I highly doubt he's a patron lmao

Spud

I'll be real, this was a hard listen, mostly because the guest was a chud, but it was interesting to listen to the conversation dynamic once he was in a "room" surrounded 4 to 1.

Xotl

I have mixed feelings about this episode. You can't give these racist nutjobs a platform to spread their ideas - unless you're going to actively call them and their views out. I know the Boys did their best to counter the guest's "perspective," but I still feel like they gave him too much leeway. It's all laughs now, but there should be no doubt that some naive teenage listener is actually and seriously looking into the theories the guest talked about during the episode. And that's not good - at all. This episode was entertaining, but very cringy at times since you essentially helped this guy spread his fucked up views, which do harm others.

Solar Insurgent

All that being said, you may have found your own Eddie Bravo. Idk how repeatable he would be but he's interesting to listen to given the context.

Sam Murphy

This guy thinks highschool English class essays apply to real life. "This character was sad in this scene because he was wearing blue." Blue is often associated with sadness, infact, if you check Websters dictionary (despite that they're part of the SYSTEM) it states: "blue is associated with sadness" and if you disagree your wrong and not looking at the FACTS.

Sam Murphy

Him saying that he was wrong about Charlie being connected to some big media conglomerate a few weeks after Charlie revealed Human Media Group. In the end, Charlie IS the media conglomerate.

AGuyNamedSmith

Jackson why didn't you defend Lego and Star Wars?

Alhe1419

Same, I thought this dude was a crazy american

Alhe1419

THIS MAN LITERALLY WAS SAYING POOR PEOPLE AND CORRECTED IT TO BLACK PEOPLE

pinksubzero

He just gave the plot to Shaun White Skateboarding

Lets wrap it up 30 more minutes

Why does a hive mind mean that people are dumb and that it has to be negative?

Cameron Graczyk

Jackson give me a fucking hug rn

Raymond Real

Bruh, no cap, the google play logo looks exactly like a satanic symbol.

review donkey oliee please

Ethan

I don't agree with some of the points brought up on this episode but this was an incredibly interesting and entertaining episode. You guys should consider having him back on at some point.

“If you want to know who is in charge find out who you can’t criticize” Time to finally get our revenge on kids with cancer! They no longer get the power!

Alex Michael Christensen

I’m surprised but I actually agree with *some* of what this guy is saying. I feel like Kaya shit on him a little too much and instead of treating this like a fair and open minded conversation, he made it seem like a Change My Mind.

My brain

You have to stick through the whole thing for the 'Jews' twist ending.

Tried to listen to the whole thing, but i only got 30 minutes in before i could feel myself getting furious. From what i could see though you boys did good in arguing with him. Proud of yous for having this lunatic on.

Skruffy Janitor

No,no im not a badass or here for my ego, but here's 20 ways to phrase im smarter than you

Greendors

What a man.

and i thought kaya was crazy

Mr.cow2000

Impossible i live in the same place as this nut

Its always fun to play the game of "ok, but do they ACTUALLY believe all of this." Also big kudos to kaya for how he conducted this, kept things going coherently, and asking conflicting questions without shutting it down like a pro. I know he's more experienced in drawing this out but it's so fun and interesting to listen to.

Holly

man what happened to Scott Manley

Greendors

I like to live dangerously, so imma do it. Guys I'm depressed and I'm admitting it to a bunch of strangers, so look out. Wild man here.

jonathon

My moms friends husband died in the vegas shooting. I knew the guy, definitely not actors

Jackson Werner

My coworker was at the concert in Vegas when the Vegas shooting happened.

Cameron Smith

He made some valid points, I don’t agree with some of the theory’s but I am sure glad you guys made the choice to be mature and allow him to make and defend his position. all and all 10/10 episode great job boys continue to tare down walls.

Aw fuck did I seriously miss the live recording!? God dammit🤦🏾

Respect to both him and the boys, I disagree with the vast majority of what he said but I think everyone was really respectful and that's pretty great

Not gonna lie he did bring up some questions and I'm super glad the boys let him talk they showed a lot of class

This is the best episode so far, I got my brother in here laughing at this with me

History of Forgotten Lands

I don't like the guest but I respect you guys for no raging on him

T. Wizzle

Without even listening, I am already pissed that I missed it live.

I respect him for coming on and defending but I’m 21 and had 4 of my friends die in the MP shooting. It’s the mentality of “if it’s not happening to me, it could be fake” that’s scary. Props to coming on the podcast though.

Wow that fucker can talk. I wonder what kinda drugs are up there in canada. 🤔🤔🤔

Holy shit you guys were so patient with this dumbass

Guys, don't worry, he's definitely done his research, because he tells us he has around 200 times in the episode.

Shipmaxxing

I genuinely wish my commute to work was longer so I could listen to more. Holy fuck what a train wreck of a person

Katyyyyyyy

This guy deflects like a motherfucker

Adam

After finishing the episode I'm surprised at how mature everyone was in exchanging ideas and rebuttals and things like that. I didn't expect it to go that way. But wow. Respect to the boys and for him. I obviously find much of what he said to be absolutely ridiculous but nonetheless I'm glad he wasn't just mindlessly ranting and he actually explained how he thinks

Who’s gonna tell the guy that googling for stuff that fits his narrative isn’t research

Charlie: Do you believe in the Holocaust? Yes or no Jeff: Ah! Well, you know, its interesting, right? It's it's it's um. W-what is it? So, like. Uh-who find out who controls you find out who you're allowed to critize. Right? Does that make sense to you? That makes sense, right?

This is probably the most interesting episode so far. We'll see whether or not it will ever see the face of Youtube...

This should have been the 200th episode. Bringing on this level of insanity is the only thing (that I can think of) that could top episode 100

Holy fuck that was an interesting episode! You guys were awesome at interviewing him. A lot of people would have just called him an idiot and ripped into him. But you guys were professional in your questioning and responses to his insane arguments. 10/10

why didnt you tell him that electricity isnt real lol

The Jackson really called the man a fool to his face. I mean, he is but...

Best guest so far

fucking fascinating i disagreed with 98% of what he said and i could tell you guys did too but it’s so cool and mature to have someone like this on and giving them a chance to explain their lunacy

Andrew Saenz

I'm halfway through at this point, so sorry if these get brought up later; I wanted to get my thoughts down as I listen. My main question for this guy is: what if you're wrong? What if you're wrong about children dying in school shootings? What if you're wrong about hundreds of thousands of covid deaths (also, 94/97% of deaths had a pre-existing condition before covid; that pre-existing condition wasn't killing them before covid, so they're still very much covid deaths)? What if you spread all of this toxic information just to be wrong? Can you actually live with that? Would you be able to ever redeem yourself if that's the outcome? Secondary questions being: Why do you use sources such as CDC when trying to prove your points after telling us we shouldn't trust sources like that? What sources can you offer that can't be refuted by your thought process/belief? Where do you get your information about how certain symbols and numbers are confirmed to mean something sinister/different than what we are used to?

Brittany Theresa

I know this isn't the same as school shootings. But my elementary school and a man try to attack some preschoolers with a machete. No crisis actors, real people. My principal protected them from the man and is messing fingers because of it. Also my high-school, not while I was there, had it's principal shot and killed. He's dead now. Dont understand this man. At least he's brave enough to come and defend himself, props to him.

Austin Wilcox

Guy has balls to show up tho

Deeplight Studio

Best episode ever holy fuck

PBotis

This is such a frustrating listen

Yes! Yes! Now, where tf aremy headphones...

Gee fucking whilikers man, this dude is fuckin nuts

Leonardo Martinez

they actually got him on wow

Can't believe you mad lads actually got him on

Joseph

Agreed there are crisis actors

The transition sound effect had me fly out of my chair

Aed

He sounds so reasonable and he's actually genuinely explaining his ideas instead of just crazy ranting. Respect to him for actually defending himself, even though it is completely left field and BS

This individual is a dangerous lunatic.

Phillip Motsinger II

Watch he say that you guys tried to transform his ideas in a new video in a week

I accidently scheduled my dog training lesson for when you were recording this and I’ve been scratching at the neck since then waiting for this post

Alex Hines

+respect

Science

Literally one of my favorite episodes, most unpredictable guest ever

Killian Fitzgerald

You guys actually did it. Didn't think he'd actually come on the podcast.

Austin Wilcox

Listening to that live recording was insane, he reminded me so much of Hardin

Was this a joke this dude can't be real he had to be acting. Funny joke boys

Respect. I never thought he’d actually do it

MarkAfterDark

just got on my break and saw the notification. I'm downloading rn and I'm stoaked

No way that’s unreal this is amazing

Brendan Barrie

Holy shit this is so fucking great lmfao

If the boys from Atrial read this your band fucking rocks.

Ellis Thornton

I listened to the live recording it was fucking insanity legitimate lunacy

Nathan woodward

No fucking way you guys got him

ccrrowwee

I listened to this live just incase they didn't upload it, I'm glad I was wrong

Rolo Boy

Oh man I missed the live recording, super hyped to listen to this one

Oof

Thank god it's finally out, I was there live and I want to listen to it again just to make sure I'm not missing any of it, actual gold

Is our dearest Jackson, the cinnamon bun that he is ok after all this?

Harvey Puerta

this was the best episode in a while. what a doozy. even if you are easily offended give this one a listen

SlurmEnjoyer

Oh, this is gonna be good

Colin Legge

No wayyyy this is going to be good

Fuck yes, keen as

Daniel Ridgway